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Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby Graeme » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 05:02:48

Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il and gas drilling on federal lands across the Rocky Mountain West could increase by more than 160 percent over the next two decades due in part to pro-industry regulations enacted by the Bush administration, according to a report by an environmental group.

The Washington, D.C.-based Wilderness Society analyzed drilling plans and said oil and gas exploration was poised to push into some of the West's most environmentally sensitive areas. That includes plans to drill in Colorado's Roan Plateau, the Upper Green River Basin in Wyoming and Montana's portion of the Powder River Basin.

More than 126,000 new oil and gas wells have been approved or are under review for federal lands in Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, Utah and New Mexico, according to the Wilderness Society report. Wyoming would see the most activity: 58,000 new wells.


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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby Tanada » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 07:27:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il and gas drilling on federal lands across the Rocky Mountain West could increase by more than 160 percent over the next two decades due in part to pro-industry regulations enacted by the Bush administration, according to a report by an environmental group.

The Washington, D.C.-based Wilderness Society analyzed drilling plans and said oil and gas exploration was poised to push into some of the West's most environmentally sensitive areas. That includes plans to drill in Colorado's Roan Plateau, the Upper Green River Basin in Wyoming and Montana's portion of the Powder River Basin.

More than 126,000 new oil and gas wells have been approved or are under review for federal lands in Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, Utah and New Mexico, according to the Wilderness Society report. Wyoming would see the most activity: 58,000 new wells.


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I wish to hell some of these so called environmentalists were PO aware. Then maybe they would understand, its all gonna get drilled sooner rather than later, and if you help controll the how you much improve the results from the viewpoint of impact on the environment.
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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby Doly » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 07:37:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')hen maybe they would understand, its all gonna get drilled sooner rather than later, and if you help controll the how you much improve the results from the viewpoint of impact on the environment.


I don't get what is your position here. What are you suggesting environmentalists do?
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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby WatchfulEye » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 07:59:47

My understanding is as follows:

Allow the oil companies in, straight-away, but enforce stringent environmental controls.

If we don't let them in now, when oil is $250 a barrel, cars are abandonned on highways and people are freezing to death in their homes, those field, sure as heck will be drilled, and tapped at such urgency, that environmental concerns will be secondary.
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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby Tanada » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 08:18:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')hen maybe they would understand, its all gonna get drilled sooner rather than later, and if you help controll the how you much improve the results from the viewpoint of impact on the environment.


I don't get what is your position here. What are you suggesting environmentalists do?


From my beginning on this board I have advocated Environmentalist organization drop their no use plank and move to a environmentally regulated plank for both off shore and on shore drilling. I suggest this because I beleive that PO will lead to clamoring public demands for more drilling, and if the Greenpeace's of the world stand in the way the government will crush them to keep the votes of the public. If the environmental groups want to ensure both their own survival and the survival of as much of the natural environment as possible they need to recognize that polliticains will turn on them in a heartbeat if the public demands it. Far better to give up some ground and keep the regulations protecting the environmnet in place than to resist totally and lose everything IMO.

When the Sheeple scream for more drilling, only more drilling will appease them. Polliticians above all else want to keep the Sheeple appeased. That is how they keep their cushy jobs and perks. I advocate seismic testing now, with exploratory drilling now, so that when TSHTF we can have a plan for low impact development. I fear that when TSHTF if there is no already created low impact development plan then the environmental protection laws will be abrogated or repealed and thing will get done quick and dirty and the damage will be far worse than it has to be.
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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby billp » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 20:11:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ore than 126,000 new oil and gas wells have been approved or are under review for federal lands in Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, Utah and New Mexico, according to the Wilderness Society report. Wyoming would see the most activity: 58,000 new wells.

By comparison, the five states had 77,000 wells producing oil or natural gas as of earlier this year. Natural gas at Wyoming's two main trading hubs is selling at 30 percent of national average, cutting off millions of dollars in state revenue.


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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby peripato » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 11:30:36

Drilling doesn't guarantee they'll find anything worthwile, no matter how much money and hi-tech gadgetry they throw at it. After all there is only so much of the stuff under the earth's crust, and most of it's already been found, economics can't change that...
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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby Tanada » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 19:05:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', 'D')rilling doesn't guarantee they'll find anything worthwile, no matter how much money and hi-tech gadgetry they throw at it. After all there is only so much of the stuff under the earth's crust, and most of it's already been found, economics can't change that...


I agree 100% with your statement, however when the Sheeple scream that won't matter, drilling will be done irreguardless of the environmental damage and slim odds of success. Drill now under carefully controlled conditions and the rape of the environment after the Sheeple scream can be avoided. They won't want to drill in places of low probabillity if they are allowed to do it now, and it won't be worth the investment later if the few high value pockets are exploited before things turn really ugly.

So I beleive in any case.
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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby Blacksmith » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 20:54:08

There will be a lot of nonconventional gas sources drilled in the near future such as Coal Based Methane and Shale Gas and the drilling and completion methods will be different.

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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby peripato » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 22:53:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blacksmith', 'T')here will be a lot of nonconventional gas sources drilled in the near future such as Coal Based Methane and Shale Gas and the drilling and completion methods will be different.

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I'm assuming you mean that this gas has the potential to be converted into liquids? Also isn't it true that most of this uncoventional gas is of a very low porosity, meaning low production rates and high costs of extraction? If so, then how does this help? And in the end isn't also true that no matter what sources are tapped, in what way, or how efficiently, that there is no mitigation for the ultimate decline and total effective depletion of finite natural energy resources, so long as they are being used up faster than they are created.
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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby Blacksmith » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 23:22:28

Natural gas can be converted to liquid, but has to be cooled and pressurized, Liquid Natural Gas (LNG). LNG can be brought to centres of use instead of flared.

I think you mean permeablity rather than porosity. Shale has up to 15% porosity and coal can have up to 2% in the form of cleats. Pearmeability can be very high to very low depending on fractures and associated permeable sands.

RCCD means formation damage is kept to a minimum.

Production from sweet spots can be high though the natural gas has to be pressurized.

I once had the use of a truck run on natural gas, you could get about 250 kilometres per fill. It was much cheaper than either gasoline, desiel or electricity and the only byproducts were water and carbon dioxide.

Shale gas and coal gas methane have long production lives and have enormous reserve potential.

Energy out to energy in is about 0.7 to 14 and averages about 3 to 4.
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Re: Increase in Oil, Gas Drilling Projected

Postby peripato » Fri 21 Sep 2007, 00:00:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blacksmith', 'N')atural gas can be converted to liquid, but has to be cooled and pressurized, Liquid Natural Gas (LNG). LNG can be brought to centres of use instead of flared.

I think you mean permeablity rather than porosity. Shale has up to 15% porosity and coal can have up to 2% in the form of cleats. Pearmeability can be very high to very low depending on fractures and associated permeable sands.

RCCD means formation damage is kept to a minimum.

Production from sweet spots can be high though the natural gas has to be pressurized.

I once had the use of a truck run on natural gas, you could get about 250 kilometres per fill. It was much cheaper than either gasoline, desiel or electricity and the only byproducts were water and carbon dioxide.

Shale gas and coal gas methane have long production lives and have enormous reserve potential.

Energy out to energy in is about 0.7 to 14 and averages about 3 to 4.

Yes, thank you. I meant to say permeability. I agree, the reserve potential is huge, however what about production rates given the low permeability factor?

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