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Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo"

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Re: Fed puts money presses on "Turbo"

Postby Jack » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 15:55:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ed puts money presses on "Turbo"


*visualizes a printing press jumping and making alot of noise while a sweating scotty shouts down the tubes "but Captain, she can't take the strain!"*


I have to nominate this for quote of the month! 8)
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Postby Bas » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:00:29

seriously, doesn't anybody think this 0.5% move undercuts the credibility of the Fed as an inflation fighter? The inflation pressures are already high, and if actual inflation skyrockets (at least by western standards) a lot of people might lose confidence in the dollar which will only be won back after a prolonged period of high interest rates and low inflation. IOW this aggresive fed move IMO is more like a shot to a junkie than well dosed medicine for the economy.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Postby dukey » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:05:30

the yen carry trade will probably also unwind, as a result of this rate cut
i am not sure of the exact economic implications of this
but the word bad springs to mind
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Postby EndOfGrowth » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:07:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'I')OW this aggresive fed move IMO is more like a shot to a junkie than well dosed medicine for the economy.


More like a plaster on a bullet wound.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Postby firestarter » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:08:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 't')he yen carry trade will probably also unwind, as a result of this rate cut
i am not sure of the exact economic implications of this
but the word bad springs to mind



Actually the yen is weakening significantly since the Fed action.

That sure doesn't smell right.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Postby Bas » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:09:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 't')he yen carry trade will probably also unwind, as a result of this rate cut
i am not sure of the exact economic implications of this
but the word bad springs to mind


logic dictates that it will cause some further unwinding of the carry trade, yes. And indeed it will be interesting to watch the markets in the coming days. Indeed it might be bad if the result in the coming year will be accelerated inflation.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Postby nth » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:13:34

What do you guys think about the EU central bank's decision to keep printing Euros like there is no tomorrow?
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Re: Fed puts money presses on "Turbo"

Postby threadbear » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:15:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'm')y gold is up $10 in the last 15 minutes. Thank god I don't have any savings in US dollars. At this rate I expect by christmas gold at $750 oil at $85 and the canadian dollar on par to the US dollar.

It's almost surreal watching the dollar tank so far so quick


Same. :lol: EEEhaaaa!!!
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Postby Novus » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:17:42

The fed gives me all the confidence of a drunk driver who is fish tailing down the road at 100mph who just oversteered into another curve. He will have to react sharply to avoid going off the road and into a ditch. Old Ben has been dipping into the Corn-O-copian moonshine dulling sences to the danger and deadining his reactions. Someone better call 911.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Postby Cynus » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:19:10

Everyone has to look at this chart of the Euro Vs Dollar.
Holy crap!
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EURUSD=X&t=1d
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Postby EndOfGrowth » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:33:40

Hyperinflationary recession is a done deal now
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Re: Fed puts money presses on "Turbo"

Postby joewp » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:34:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sirrom', 't')his may seem like a dumb question,but does this mean oil prices will go up?


Everything's going up. Except wages.


Exactly. It's the inflation tax at work.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Postby Chuckmak » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:38:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'E')veryone has to look at this cart of the Euro Vs Dollar.
Holy crap!
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EURUSD=X&t=1d


the dollar is getting its ass completely kicked right now
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Postby threadbear » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:41:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndOfGrowth', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'I')OW this aggresive fed move IMO is more like a shot to a junkie than well dosed medicine for the economy.


More like a plaster on a bullet wound.


Shhhhhh...you guys. Uncle Sam just scored some smack for his girls, and they're real happy, and what's more, the Dow's happy. You come along and harsh their buzz by talkin' that cold turkey talk. We'll have none of that! Remember, reality is for those who can't handle drugs! :lol:
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Postby Bas » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:43:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', 'W')hat do you guys think about the EU central bank's decision to keep printing Euros like there is no tomorrow?


apparently Trichet is being and has been outprinted by Ben "Warp 9" Bernanke all the time.

Since the inception of the Euro, the value of the dollar has fallen by 40%.

But indeed, when comparing the Euro to the Dollar you can ask legitimate questions like; have the currencies that now form the Euro been systematically undervalued before they formed the Euro, and as a follow up; is Ben B really printing that much? And how about; has the introduction of the Euro made the Dollar a more "normal" currency instead of the reserve currency of choice?
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Postby mattduke » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 16:55:42

So much for "not appearing to panic".
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Postby Tyler_JC » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 17:05:01

I take back what I said about the gradual decline of the dollar.

Roccman is right.


We are seriously screwed right now.

I suggest you go shopping before you have to do it with wheelbarrows...

I just can't believe Helicopter Ben would be so stupid. ARGH
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Postby MOCKBA » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 17:08:13

According to M3 and M2 statistics, Russia leads the pack with 51% growth this year in its money supply, followed by India 22%, China 20%, Brazil 16%, UK and Australia 14%, Europe 13% and the US 12%
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Postby RdSnt » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 17:11:26

Most of the other major currencies have been printing at higher percentages than the USD. Regarding the Euro, part of the reason I believe is due to it's young age and rapid acceptance. I don't believe anyone would have thought a brand new (5 years) currency would have become as dominant as it has become. They need to print fast just to satisfy demand.
Other currencies don't have that excuse.
Still, USD supply is growing at +14% this year.

I'd be a bit cautious about the rising commodity prices, even though I'm real happy with them at the moment. Consider all the high rollers who are going to need cash to cover their obligations, who can't sell all their fancy derivatives (which are worthless anyways now). Guess what can be sold?

I would expect some pull back in the near future for commodities, but it will be temporary.

I think one of Ben's mistakes was announcing this on a Tuesday. Some nasty and very public momentum could be generated this week. He should have left this till Friday. Then again, maybe the Fed wants to put some fear into NY then hope things calm down this weekend.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Postby Bas » Tue 18 Sep 2007, 17:13:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MOCKBA', 'A')ccording to M3 and M2 statistics, Russia leads the pack with 51% growth this year in its money supply, followed by India 22%, China 20%, Brazil 16%, UK and Australia 14%, Europe 13% and the US 12%


Apart from Russia (which money growth might have to do with some catching up as other countries are adding it to the their national reserves, which also is a factor in for the other countries apart from the USD) I think those growth rates are pretty much in line with economic growth.
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