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I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby ohanian » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 20:46:06

The brain neurons of liberals and conservatives fire differently when confronted with tough choices, suggesting that some political divides may be hard-wired, according a study released Sunday.


[web]http://www.abc.com.au/news/stories/2007/09/10/2028113.htm[/web]
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 20:56:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Conservatives tend to crave order and structure in their lives, and are more consistent in the way they make decisions.

Liberals, by contrast, show a higher tolerance for ambiguity and complexity, and adapt more easily to unexpected circumstances.



hmm, then by this definition, who will do better in a peak oil, shtf type situation?

since i am not a rich elite, i am damn glad to be a liberal!

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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 21:31:49

What about people who don't fit into either bracket.

Our country is so brainwashed into this left vs right mentality.

It seem that there can only be two choices

Liberal / Conservative
0 / 1
Left / right
crunchy / creamy
good / evil
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby jboogy » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 15:39:02

No shit , stop the fargin' presses! In other words conservatives /repugnantcans are less evolved than liberals ? I concur professor Duh! [smilie=profe.gif] ( I'm not refering to you as professor Duh , ohanian, good find BTW)
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Last_Laff » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 16:16:37

We're all in the same flesh and yet we're different.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Bas » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 16:31:44

I doubt that things are as simple as this, more probably factors like nurture, the political environment you reside in have a much bigger impact than genetics in this regard. But I guess making things more complex would be a very "liberal" thing to do of me).

what about "flip flopping" though? I like to be able to change my mind on political topics as much as on other things, after having thought about it or having been confronted with new evidence; I guess "conservatives" would make good accountants.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby jboogy » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 17:02:46

All else being equal I think you would find "liberals" have a higher average intelligence , I have observed this countless times first-hand . I believe in most instances your "smart" repugnantcan is really something else first and foremost . Your smart redneck is really an overt racist , hence a repub. Your smart christian is really a militant fundamentalist , ditto a repub. Your smart atheist , business man is really just very greedy , yup! repub again(damn welfare moms sucking up my taxes),An intelligent gun nut is just that , a gun nut -guns matter most so he's a repub everything else be damned. If you find a repugnantcan that doesn't have a particular cross to bear they're usually not too bright , they're just being what their dad told em' they should be. An honest conservative can be just as smart as anyone , a lot of conservatives just want to go back to a simpler time and a simpler way of life , true conservatives have mostly renounced the current repugnantcan , neo-con clusterf*ck .
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 21:56:52

The Conservative/Liberal thing has been going on for centuries in multiple countries.

Conservatives are usually in favor of maintaining the status quo and ensuring the continued strength of whatever power is currently keeping the society's tendency to fly apart in check.

Thus, the first Conservatives were Royalists.

When South America, for example, went through it's Independence throes, it's educated elites divided themselves into Conservatives and Liberals. The Conservatives saw that only a strong central authority cold govern over the masses of uneducated Indians and former slaves.

The Liberals were looking toward to open market philosophies of Great Britain and were looking to educate and emancipate the masses.

In our own country, Liberals were responsible for creating our relatively free market economy, our constitutional balance of powers and our institutionalized system of human rights.

Progressive things like free markets, the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, the separation of Church and State, etc. were all originally Liberal causes that were contested by Conservative forces.

It's basically the argument between those who seek change and those who value and want to shore up tradition.

As for genetic proclivity, there is probably some gene complex that influences how an individual responds to authority. Some of us are much more likely to question authority and be distrustful of it. Those people are more likely to be Liberal and open to societal change. Others are more likely to see authority as a stabilizing and valuable force and wish to see it upheld because they see societal change as destabilizing and degenerative.

I'm always reminded of George W. Bush's pronouncement several years ago when he said: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists". Such a statement divides people along this fault line of trust vs distrust of authority.
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Unread postby SinisterBlueCat » Tue 11 Sep 2007, 23:50:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')I guess this all leaves my genes one twisted mess?


nope, you are fine...it is the word conservative that has been twisted.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 14:06:41

So when a conservative becomes a liberal...like Arianna Huffington

or

A liberal becomes a conservative....like Dr. Jeanne Kirkpatrick

Do their brains change physiologically in response to their changing politics, or did the brains change first and then the politics altered in response to their changed physiological state? :roll:
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 15:00:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'A')ll else being equal I think you would find "liberals" have a higher average intelligence


Many studies have shown that "conservatives", on average, have higher incomes and attain higher educational levels then "liberals." A large percentage of "liberals" who vote the straight democratic ticket come from the inner city, areas where graduation rates from high school are low and incomes are low. For instance, in New York, one of the most liberal cities in America, about 60-70% of the kids attenting public school drop out. These poorly educated kids grow up to become the majority of "liberal" voters in New York. Similar situations exist in LA, Detroit, and other big cities where liberal democrats dominate the local political scene.

It shouldn't be news that education levels are low and poverty is disproportionately high among blacks, who typically vote for liberal democrats at rates of 90% or so. At a rate of 25 percent, the incidence of black poverty is double the national average.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby jboogy » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 21:49:53

PlantainG wrote;
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')any studies have shown that "conservatives", on average, have higher incomes and attain higher educational levels then "liberals."

So you equate inner city democratic voters with liberals ? Two different things and you know it , sheesh , most democrats are afraid to be called liberals nowadays. Your "studies" you quote I'm sure are little more than sterilized reams of anecdotal evidence. Lets not go there , I'll see your Bill Kristol and raise you an Al Franken,(waste of time), You also equate income and education with intelligence ? C'mon , even you don't believe they're related, Before colleges were common was everyone an idiot?When the bulk of the earth's wealth was kept and then handed down thru successive generations of inbred royals were they smarter than everyone else ?No , maybe more devious and definitely focused on the aquisition of wealth but not smarter , your post reveals something about the mindset of a republican though , your post focuses on education and income as the determining or contributing criteria for determining intelligence ? I would never attempt to assign stupidity or intelligence to someone based on the type of car/house he owns and wether or not he has an advanced degree.I measure someone by their words and deeds.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 12 Sep 2007, 22:25:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', '[')b]
So you equate inner city democratic voters with liberals ?


Of course.

There is no ethnic or religous group in America that more reliably votes for liberal democrats then inner city people and especially inner city minorities. Blacks, for instance, often vote more then 90% for liberal democrats. Other ethnic groups typically divide roughly 50-50 or perhaps 60-40 for one party or the other. But impoverished, poorly educated inner city blacks are the archetypal liberal democrats......they virtually all vote for liberal democrats except for a few percent of the better educated and more affluent blacks who buck the tide and vote republican.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby jboogy » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 01:17:40

So your contention is , inner city blacks are stupid ,inner city blacks vote democratic , so liberals are stupider than conservatives on average ? That's quite a stretch your making there Plantain , but ok , I realize Repugnantcans have to go to extremes to rationalize their prejudice on occassion. How do you reconcile the fact a preponderance of professors and teachers at the most prestigious universities are liberal or at least democratic leaning?Using your rationale of educational achievement equals intelligence then this kinda throws a monkey wrench in the works , don't it? I'd still like to see these studies you refer to linked somehow ,you say "many" studies , they're not a product of the heritage foundation , or god forbid the: Rush Limbaugh advanced studies of ethnic persons while completely ripped on pharmaceutical heroin college . Are they? And please respond to my question . Do you judge a man solely or mostly by the size of his bank account?
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 02:08:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'S')o your contention is , inner city blacks are stupid ,inner city blacks vote democratic , so liberals are stupider than conservatives on average ?


Nope. You get sole credit for imagining that kind of racist tripe.

I'm noting that inner city residents, including black Americans, constitute a significant percentage of democratic voters, almost all vote for liberal democrats, and are generally badly educated and poor. Those are simple facts that anyone with an IQ over room temperature should already know.
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