[Carlhole]

I've had a thread going on this topic for quite some time already:

[url=http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic29802.html]John Kanzius' Salt Water-Radio Wave Energy Source?
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The latest on it has been that the founder of the Materials Sciences Laboratory at Penn State University, a holder of BS and MS degrees in Chemistry, visited Kanzius to view his set up.

The professor described it as a "staggering" discovery. Not staggering because of it's energy potential - Kanzius has admitted an EROEI of less than one - staggering because it is a wholly new phenomenon.

Renowned scientist lauds Kanzius' invention

[quote="Erie-Times News via Yahoo Groups"]By GEORGE MILLER george.miller@timesnews.com

A materials scientist is heated up over the effect of John Kanzius' external radio-wave generator on salt water. "It is scientifically a staggeringly important discovery", said Rustum Roy, a leading authority on microwave applications on materials technology.

Roy was in Erie on Thursday to view experiments with the radio-wave generator at Industrial Sales and Manufacturing Inc., the Millcreek company that builds Kanzius' generator. In the experiments, a test tube of salt water creates a flame when bombarded by the generator.

It will certainly shape a lot of science, said Roy, who founded the Materials Science Laboratory at Pennsylvania State University. It will tell us a lot more about the structure of water than anything in 100 years. It's a big, big contribution to the science of water.

Roy, a Penn State professor emeritus, still teaches some classes there and oversees research. He has done studies on the structure of water. He is also a visiting professor of medicine at the University of Arizona and distinguished professor of materials at Arizona State University. He spends his winters in Arizona.

Kanzius said Roy was the first outside expert in water to view the demonstration. It was sink-or-swim time for the project, Kanzius said. Kanzius said he is pleased with the assessment, especially because there have been skeptics. To hear a world authority give such a rave review is phenomenal, he said. It's more than we ever expected to hear from him today. I expected him to hit me on the head with a sledgehammer and say, "Wake up!"

Kanzius, a Millcreek inventor and a former television and radio broadcaster and engineer, built the radio-wave generator in 2003 as a way of treating cancer. The cancer research, he said, is going fullspeed ahead.

He found the generator's effect on salt water by a fluke during a demonstration in the fall of 2006 and has been exploring its use as an alternative energy source since then.

Roy said the Kanzius' discovery has scientific value in itself and also has the potential to create an alternative energy source and perhaps even to benefit medicine beyond cancer.

Where its applications lead is hard to tell,â€

[americandream]

Wow!

..and as we approach peak for the materials that make up the frequency inspired hydrogen cars that subsequently abound across this globe, hey, no doubt someone will discover that brainwaves create steel and rubber.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Windmills', ' ')Why make make an extra energy transformation and load on extra weight just because you want to cling to the ICE?

[Niagara]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', 'H')asn't this already been discussed in enough detail? I think the first edition of this story is where someone posted a cool youtube vid of microwaving grapes... so unless you can beat that, let the thread die with dignity

[MD]

It's just electrolysis again. There is allegedly a certain frequency and amplitude (I don't know the values) that maximizes process efficiency yielding higher amounts of hydrogen per input watt.

It still requires more energy in than you get out. This should be no surprise.

[Fishman]

Though clearly not an energy source, this may allow wind to electric to radio freq conversion of hydrogen at a lower initial energy input than electrolysis

[ZukinJonash]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ming', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y that logic, shouldn't we all be wondering about your (Ming's) credentials which allow you to supercede the credentials of Rustum Roy and deny his observations without having viewed the Kanzius apparatus up close yourself? Put your extensive CV online for us! Hop on a plane and go visit Kanzius yourself! Go find the trap door where the rabbit disappears!

[Ming]

Big surprise, since they are such a credible and science-oriented source!

[nth]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', 'H')asn't this already been discussed in enough detail? I think the first edition of this story is where someone posted a cool youtube vid of microwaving grapes... so unless you can beat that, let the thread die with dignity

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', 'H')asn't this already been discussed in enough detail? I think the first edition of this story is where someone posted a cool youtube vid of microwaving grapes... so unless you can beat that, let the thread die with dignity

[nth]

Thanks Mod for merging this.

Carlhole,
I actually did a search in PO.com before posting this, but could not find the old thread.(why not?) I did not know so much more information is available on this.

I am surprise that people here think this is a hoax. I doubted it was an energy source, but now reading the old thread confirms it. Like you, I am curious about the efficiency.

[Offshore]

Sweet. Now we can start depleting sea water.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Offshore', 'S')weet. Now we can start depleting sea water.

[Carlhole]

John Kanzius' Saltwater Energy/ Cure for Cancer?

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BreitBart TV', 'E')RIE, Pa. (AP) - An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.
John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.

Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.

The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.

The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Roy said. "Seeing it burn gives me the chills."

Roy will meet this week with officials from the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense to try to obtain research funding.

The scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen—which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit—would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.

"We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads," Roy said. "The potential is huge."

[Offshore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Offshore', 'S')weet. Now we can start depleting sea water.

[Graeme]

Mods, Would you please put Carhole as the author for this thread? He is the first poster here and he has put the most effort into searching for information on this topic. I'm sure he won't mind.

[siliconvalley]

Mr. Kanzius may have solved half the problem- let's not be so quick to toss him overboard. Passive means of energy production (solar, wind, etc) have yet to be made economically efficient, we all know that. Now there is the opportunity (maybe) to pursue a better radio wave generator. Undersea current turbines generating electricity for a super efficient wave generator splitting hydrogen burned in a steam turbine ain't so far fetched. Plug your car in and away we go.

[Carlhole]

Another news video and a little more information!

This is really interesting stuff!

WKYC - Saltwater Fuel?

So, isn't anyone going to keep on trashing this phenomenon?
I need some sucker to argue with.

I wish to fu*k one of these reporters would ask the obvious energy in/energy out question! What's wrong with them?

[siliconvalley]

George Bernard Shaw once wrote ".......and silence was the stern reply."

I guess they've run out of pessimism. Oh well......

[linear]

Good lord. You guys need to look up some papers on the RF heating effect on ionic liquids. This has been know for a long time.