[tommm3000]

We're on the verge of making a workable gravity engine to generate electricity.

The can't tax gravity!!

So who's gonna say this can't work?



http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.230.html

[jato]

Me: It won't work.

[tommm3000]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'M')e: It won't work.

[jato]

I'll let you figure it out.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')eah, and when I eat beans, my butt talks, too.

[JoeW]

i have a better idea. we'll put a mouse in the wheel to assist the gravity engine. and then we'll build thousands more like it, with thousands more mice.

wait a minute. how are we gonna feed the mice and how much energy is that gonna take?

Foiled again!

[tommm3000]

So far just two useless comments from people who apparently don't have the intellectual capacity to grasp the concepts of gravity, torque and rotation.

So I'll explain it for them and any others who may be intellectually challenged.

The larger, outer wheel stands vertically and is mounted on an axle. The smaller, inner wheel is just a ring that contacts the larger wheel on one side and is supported in a second spot with a roller at 6:05. The weight of the inner wheel keeps the outer wheel off balance and creates constant rotation because the outer wheel is continually heavier on one side.

The more massive the wheel, the more power created.

[UncoveringTruths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he "heavier on one side" seduction.

The most naive level of perpetual motion seduction is the notion that if a system has more mass on one side of the axle, then that side must swing downward. That notion is quickly dispelled by consideration of this symmetric arrangement of three equal mass balls on equal length arms. Clearly there's more mass on the left side of the axle. But just as clearly, the device will not turn of its own accord. Even worse, if given a push, it will not turn continually. It will come to a stop from dissipative forces just as any wheel would. This wheel is as likely to come to rest in one position as in any other, for it is perfectly balanced in any position. Persons who have little experience with mechanisms may think it would prefer to come to rest with one ball directly above the axle, and the other two below. That is not true. Our naive expectations are not the way nature works.
We can test its stability by turning the wheel to any position whatever. No matter what position it happens to be in at rest, it has no tendency to turn in either direction, and will not initiate motion by itself.

The earliest unbalanced wheel of Villard de Honnecort underwent countless modifications and embellishments over the years. But the seductive principle that motivated the inventors was that "If you can keep the wheel heavier on one side as it rotates, then it will continue rotating forever." Their overbalanced wheels had weights that moved, and in the static picture at least, there were always more weights on one side of the wheel axle. But, when the system is analyzed, one finds that the torques are balanced (add to zero). A wheel will not initiate motion unless the torques are greater in one direction than the other. If the net torque about an axis are zero, the system will not start turning by itself.

The situation is worse than that. Newton's third law ensures that all internal forces in a system sum to zero, and all internal torques do also. If the system is to move, some external source must supply force or torque. A system with unbalanced torque from external sources moves toward a position where the torques will become zero. That's a position where the system will be in static equilibrium. Typically the system will oscillate around that position, slowing down gradually to rest as its initial stored energy dissipates and it comes to rest.

Critical readers will note that the above comments assumed a uniform gravitational field. Actually the gravitational field decreases with height, and the field direction diverges from the center of the earth. These effects are negligible for a machine that would fit in a laboratory. But they would cause a slight preference for some positions of this wheel. Still, they won't provide any force that would cause a consistently preferred direction of motion through many cycles.

[tommm3000]

And now a post about something that doesn't apply. Where are the so-called "experts"?

[pawn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', 'i') have a better idea. we'll put a mouse in the wheel to assist the gravity engine. and then we'll build thousands more like it, with thousands more mice.

wait a minute. how are we gonna feed the mice and how much energy is that gonna take?

Foiled again!

[jimbomonkey]

Are you just trolling tommm? UncoveringTruths' post describes precisely the sort of machine you're talking about. Infinite free energy to the rescue, right tommm?

[basil_hayden]

Pwnt by UT.

Just a fancy pendulum, they all stop eventually.

[UncoveringTruths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tommm3000', 'A')nd now a post about something that doesn't apply. Where are the so-called "experts"?

[tommm3000]

No. He's talking about balls on arms that swing. That has been proven not to work. The wheel within a wheel that is constantly on one side is totally different. No one here has explained why it can't work, nor why this guy in Australia is able to generate electricity with it.

And I hate fishing. Too boring.

[UncoveringTruths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tommm3000', 'N')o. He's talking about balls on arms that swing. That has been proven not to work. The wheel within a wheel that is constantly on one side is totally different. No one here has explained why it can't work, nor why this guy in Australia is able to generate electricity with it.

And I hate fishing. Too boring.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UncoveringTruths', '
')BTW can you verify if Simmons is correct?

[Jack]

I have been a doomer - quite strongly so - until this post.

It has been truly, deeply, profoundly transformational.

I am now an uberdoomer. Not only am I convinced the human race is toast, I now think it deserves to be toast. As the last human being expels its last foul breath, the net IQ of the universe will increase by some modest increment.

Whereas once I was inclined to compare the intelligence of the human race to a yeast colony, I now recognize how wrong I was. I have insulted the yeast cells.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tommm3000', 'A')nd now a post about something that doesn't apply. Where are the so-called "experts"?

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I') have been a doomer - quite strongly so - until this post.

It has been truly, deeply, profoundly transformational.

I am now an uberdoomer. Not only am I convinced the human race is toast, I now think it deserves to be toast. As the last human being expels its last foul breath, the net IQ of the universe will increase by some modest increment.

Whereas once I was inclined to compare the intelligence of the human race to a yeast colony, I now recognize how wrong I was. I have insulted the yeast cells.

[CrudeAwakening]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tommm3000', 'S')o far just two useless comments from people who apparently don't have the intellectual capacity to grasp the concepts of gravity, torque and rotation.

So I'll explain it for them and any others who may be intellectually challenged.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'H')eh he, one thing you haven't figured out Jack, is what I spent the last few years building in MY laboratory (fall-back plan). Dieses ist besser!!

JP