[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'A')nd for a place like Phoenix that gets guite a bit of its electricity from NG ...keeping the lights on will be a stretch.

[roccman]

That data is 2004.

Arlington, Kyrene upgrades, San Tan upgrades, Red Hawk are all NG generators.

Probably more.

You have any thing more current?

I think we may see that NG percent go up a bit.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')hanks roccman, for pointing out the obvious: Monte is the heart and soul of this place!

I love you Monte In a non-Brokeback fashion, of course.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'O')h boy, how would you like to be one of those pitiful people in AZ, Nevada, Texas, SoCal, NM, etc when natural gas isn't available in the summer?

Those poor bastards are going to cook.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'T')hat data is 2004.

Arlington, Kyrene upgrades, San Tan upgrades, Red Hawk are all NG generators.

Probably more.

You have any thing more current?

I think we may see that NG percent go up a bit.

[roccman]

Here is SRP's generation sources:

http://www.srpnet.com/about/stations/default.aspx

I could not find a graph, but I added ownership in coal, NG, Nuc and came up with almost 50% ownership in NG generation and a mix of Nuc (676MW) and Coal (2100) for the other 50%.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'O')h boy, how would you like to be one of those pitiful people in AZ, Nevada, Texas, SoCal, NM, etc when natural gas isn't available in the summer?

Those poor bastards are going to cook.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'O')h boy, how would you like to be one of those pitiful people in AZ, Nevada, Texas, SoCal, NM, etc when natural gas isn't available in the summer?

Those poor bastards are going to cook.

[PeakOiler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')Its a lot easier to live without A/C in the summer in Texas than it is to live without heat in Montana in the winter.

[Bas]

the overly pessimistic definately have a bigger tendency to stick around these forums, most probably skewing the general atmosphere into something a bit more pessimistic than the future will prove to be; it's easy to underestimate feedback systems in both nature and in human society (both psychological as well as economical)

I do think technological improvements in the field of energy should not be counted on, and apart from some improvement in solar, not expected.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Thanks! A little homework goes a long way. By this time, the level of discourse on this site should be at least as high as at the oildrum.

Try posting some of the spurious remarks you see here on their forum.

Yikes!

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', '.')..Oh boy, how would you like to be one of those pitiful people in AZ, Nevada, Texas, SoCal, NM, etc when natural gas isn't available in the summer?

Those poor bastards are going to cook.

[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', 'O')h boy, how would you like to be one of those pitiful people in AZ, Nevada, Texas, SoCal, NM, etc when natural gas isn't available in the summer?

Those poor bastards are going to cook.

[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')And it's going to be real pleasant in the Southeast, as well, where high heat is combined with extreme humidity...

[entropyfails]

This is what I get for leaving this here. *sigh*

The original post was marginally about energy technology but this post seem more appropriate for the Peak Oil Discussion forum now.

I'm leaving this here for a few days as a reminder that this forum is about Energy Technology. I take that to mean that we should focus here on specific energy technologies instead of the broad class of "technology" as "the thing that saves us from peak oil." Any synthesis reports posted here must be backed up with lots and lots of numbers. I hope that is clear.

[Sideous]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', ' ')Where the hell did all this mindless bureaucracy come from?

[Sideous]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mkwin', 'M')onteQuest -

4) Renewables – You quote current renewable figures but they don’t reflect the possibility of renewables. For just one example, in the UK a plan has been proposed for a 14 billion GBP tidal farm off the river seven that will provide 5% of energy needs of the country – carbon free and perpetual and this is just a fraction of our wind and tidal resources. The next generation PV has such great potential and the production increase in silicon and economies of scale drove down the cost by 40% in 2006. Spain has announced a plan to get the majority of its electricity from solar by 2015, this could be replicated in many southern states (especially Arizona). The current renewable amounts are based on PAST market conditions, frankly given their PAST cost competitiveness I’m surprised they have reached that level in a free market system but those conditions are changing rapidly.

[mkwin]

Sideous - Some interesting comments, do you have any links or information regarding the UK's potential?

[mkwin]

Also, what are your thoughts on Solar? It seems like advancements in efficiency are occurring all the time. Couldn't Solar be a significant portion of Germanys mix?