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Global communist thinking

Postby paimei01 » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 12:17:21

I am a communist - but I know that it's an utopia. It is true that not all people are equal but they could behave as if they are - this is not going to happen people are not good enough to behave like that

But when I posted on a forum about peak oil, I got replies like : there is enough oil there or there , in that country or that country, there are the tar sands, no need to worry. Also some say that Russia is "evil" because it uses it's oil and gas to "blackmail Europe"
But this is global communist thinking - why would another country share their oil if they do not want to ?
Capitalism - 99% of people I talk to are capitalists, respects private property, why then do they care what another country does with it's oil ?
About oil everybody wants to be communist and share :)
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 12:23:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'I') am a communist


Why? Communists murdered 100 million people in the 20th century. :roll:
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby Offshore » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 12:30:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'I') am a communist - but I know that it's an utopia.

Communism is dystopia. I'd rather be a Nazi than a Communist. Nazis murdered less people.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is true that not all people are equal but they could behave as if they are - this is not going to happen people are not good enough to behave like that

Equality under the law is only possible in capitalist countries. In Communist countries the Bolshevik elites oppress the common man.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut when I posted on a forum about peak oil, I got replies like : there is enough oil there or there , in that country or that country, there are the tar sands, no need to worry.

Who says that? I haven't noticed anyone here saying that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso some say that Russia is "evil" because it uses it's oil and gas to "blackmail Europe"

Russia is evil for many reasons but that's not one of them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut this is global communist thinking - why would another country share their oil if they do not want to ?

Eh? When Russians sell their oil for profit that is not Communism. That's called capitalism. Remember Yeltsin?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')apitalism - 99% of people I talk to are capitalists, respects private property, why then do they care what another country does with it's oil ?

99% of the people on this message board alone are Marxist Socialists with no respect for private property whatsover.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')bout oil everybody wants to be communist and share :)

Especially Russia and Saudi Arabia haha.
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby paimei01 » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 12:44:11

No
You make the same mistake as you make about Christians - who kills people and goes to war is not Christian , does not mater what he calls himself
There was no real communism, there was a dictatorship and people - because as I said are not good enough to behave and to share, each of them started stealing from wherever he could, the higher in the state machine he was the more he stole

Evil dictators and killers are communists only by name, real communism is an utopia as I said and it depends on good people - not so many around
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 13:00:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'T')here was no real communism


Sometimes you have to face facts.

The Communist parties of the 20th century were the worst mass murderers in history. They created dictatorships that killed over a hundred million people, and imprisoned and tortured and impoverished many millions more. That is what communism produced. :x
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby TommyJefferson » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 13:02:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'T')here was no real communism, there was a dictatorship and people


That's what real communism is. You are obviously about 600 or 700 hours deficient in your required reading of Marx, Mao, Lenin, and Trotsky.

REAL communists did indeed murder millions of people. REAL Christians did indeed murder millions of people (and still do).

Instead of claiming to be a communist, it would be a lot easier to claim you enjoy buttseks with 9 year-old boys. You'd get more reaction. Your lack of study would be less evident.
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby paimei01 » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 13:13:22

Offshore - everybody who does not have oil is communist about it. Look here , he wants to share :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/articl ... 66,00.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Russia has a choice to make," Mr Cheney told Baltic leaders during a summit in Vilnius. "No legitimate interest is served when oil and gas become tools of intimidation or blackmail, either by supply manipulation or attempts to monopolise transportation.


Is Cheney a capitalist that respect private property , or a communist ? Russia's oil is Russia's oil, why should they share ? Because as I said , people turn communist when there is a real problem
Which is good - but it won't last

I said I know it's an utopia what more do you want ? I was born in 1980 in Romania and I know what communism and dictatorship looks like.

Dictature is opposed to Democracy
Communism is opposed to Capitalism
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 13:22:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', ' ')I was born in 1980 in Romania and I know what communism and dictatorship looks like.


So you want Ceacescu to return as the communist dictator of Romania? :roll:
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby Offshore » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 13:22:46

Russia isn't sharing anything and Cheney isn't suggesting that they share. Russia is selling their oil for profit. That is what Rosneft and LUKOIL do - sell oil for profit. That's called capitalism.
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby paimei01 » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 13:30:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', ' ')I was born in 1980 in Romania and I know what communism and dictatorship looks like.


So you want Ceacescu to return as the communist dictator of Romania? :roll:


What I say and what you understand
No I don't

Remember in what conditions lived and worked the workers all over the world at the beginning of the 20 century, that is where communism was born
It was a good idea that went bad, people are not good enough for it - I said this once
Yet I am still a communist as an individual even if I know that a communist society would probably end up the same way as before, that is why I said it's an utopia and cannot work with the people of today, an I don't intend to try to create such a society

Now do you understand my position on communism ?

I am against capitalism and I see it as slavery, I challenge you to be capitalist within a small group of friends
Kind of makes me sick just thinking at it, proof that communism is the natural way people organize, until a "smart" guy appears.
But I think it works only with small groups.
Look at the American Indians - they would have never developed capitalism, they were too proud to tell another man what to do

Yes Cheney wants to buy oil, but if Russia decides to keep it for themselves it's their right, and who does not have oil should just be capitalist and die without saying a word about "blackmail"
My country imports 50% of the oil we use from Russia, so I am not talking only about Europe or USA. Our politicians say "we must be independent from Russia about the oil !, they are evil and raise the prices every year !". Yes sure :)
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby smiley » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 13:57:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy? Communists murdered 100 million people in the 20th century.


Not entirely fair. That number includes those who where killed by capitalists for being communists. :-D


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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby holmes » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 14:26:57

people that hate the USA need to get the fuck out. Made up fucking number? The delusional insanity is complete. My god damn jewish family escaped russia (ukraine) in the late 1800's to escape the slaughter. Fuck you you cocksucker.
its more along the lines of 300 million! all atrocities are fucked up!
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby paimei01 » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 14:49:08

Holmes I do not hate USA. I do not like Stalin, the gulag, or any atrocities people like him did. And I had an aunt and an uncle who were in prison because they were "against communism". The regime that was in Russia an Romania was not "communism" it could not have been, because I said it's an utopia.
It was just some medieval type organization with bosses which had everything ,and peasants which tried to be like the bosses. No perfect people = no communism

See what I wrote above, I need to copy paste again ?
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 15:12:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', ' ')communism ... was a good idea that went bad


Most people would consider ignorant totalitarians murdering 100 million people to be "bad", yes. :roll:
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 15:24:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy? Communists murdered 100 million people in the 20th century.


Not entirely fair. That number includes those who where killed by capitalists for being communists. :-D .



No it doesn't.

In fact the number killed by communists in the former USSR, Mao's China, North Korea, eastern Europe, etc. far exceeds 100 million. And this total is just for the state-sanctioned and state-caused murders...the victims of military action in WWII aren't included....this is the number of their own people killed by their own governments during the 20th century.

The 100+ million death toll of the communists makes them by far the greatest mass murderers of all history. :!:
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 15:30:41

If you are unfamiliar with the historical record of the millions killed by the communists and other totalitarians, then I suggest you check out the scholarly work and books by Prof. R. J. Rummel. He has spent his career documenting the record of state-sponsored murder.

"Rummel is the creator of the term democide: "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder". He has further stated: "I use the civil definition of murder, where someone can be guilty of murder if they are responsible in a reckless and wanton way for the loss of life, as in incarcerating people in camps where the may soon die of malnutrition, unattended disease, and forced labor, or deporting them into wastelands where they may die rapidly from exposure and disease."
Research by him shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, he estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century and that six times as many people have died from at the hands of people working for governments than have died in battle.
He argues that there is a relation between political power and democide. Political mass murder grows increasingly common as political power becomes unconstrained. At the other end of the scale, where power is diffuse, checked, and balanced, political violence is a rarity. "The more power a regime has, the more likely people will be killed. This is a major reason for promoting freedom." He concludes: "Concentrated political power is the most dangerous thing on earth."

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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby paimei01 » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 15:31:32

Plantagent it all started because of the working conditions, they did not plan to kill millions from the start.
Have you read "The Iron Heel" by Jack London ?
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 15:35:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'P')lantagent it all started because of the working conditions, they did not plan to kill millions from the start.



I hate to think how many the communists would have killed if they planned it "from the start". :shock:
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Re: Global communist thinking

Postby smiley » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 19:07:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')e estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century?


Well if communists did 100 million in.

Who did the other 162 million?
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