[POAlex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')...holocaust of fetuses.

[jboogy]

I'm curious as to how the developement and viability of a fetus transfers into alternative methods of pregnancy and gestation?Basically I'm wondering for my specific circumstances when did my nervous, respiratory,digestive , etc. systems become somewhat developed? It's somewhat embarrassing to talk about but I feel I can share with you's guys and you will not judge negatively.Anyway I was told by my mother that I was a turd she shat onto a fence post and that the sun hatched me out . Sometimes I don't even know wether or not I was a "real" baby in the conventional sense. Can any of you offer any insight?Thanx

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')...holocaust of fetuses.

[Alcassin]

In one-child or two-children policy after sterilization what would you do if your child was been hit by car and die? Adopt? Sterilization is a good method, but not available in many nations, and is not a perfect solution.

Poles have minimal approval to abortion (to contraception also) - I live in the verge of theocracy, where church teaches morality. To make long story short in the middle of shit. Ireland had some awakenings but not enough though, also in Poland there is "go and breed" policy.

Abortion is the best of the known methods of population control, so-called pro-lifers are only pro-birth. We should pay to keep population in zero growth and this should be the aim. Overpopulation may end like Rwandan Genocide, pro-lifers are from flat Earth society and wish us doom.

Sex is in human nature, you can't avoid your basic needs or you will have wonderful moments or you are going to be frustrated. And frustration leads to violence especially in "pure" communities - e.g. Amishes, where pedophilia and rape are quite common.

I agree with SPG - why should we pay for the unwanted children? Pro-birth stance is highly immoral because it leads to massive death by starvation, disease and apocalyptic causes.

The "this fetus could be another Shakespeare" argument is cheap and invalid.
Empirical counterargument: How many Shakespeares you know from Somalia?
Logical counterargument: There could be only one Shakespeare.
Moral counterargument: More children is dying form starvation and diseases, they could be Shakespeares, but they are dead by the time they are published.
Agriculture counterargument: How to feed 28 billion possible Shakespeares on Earth in year 2150? (Earth is flat and technology will save us crowd - this growth - 1% per year - will lead to 56 billion people in 2220, and still technofix will change the world?)
Economic counterargument: Growing gap between rich Shakespeares and poor Shakespeares because of this population growth is good and nothing happens.
Logistical counterargument: surplus of young Shakespeares from big polluted cities will be transported to Siberia or to Kalahari?
Nature counterargument: Nature kills from 10% to 50% "unborn babies", that's why you want to kill nature in Shakespearian way.
Feminist counterargument: get away from woman's body and read some Shakespeare, chauvinist fucker.
Chicken-egg counterargument: Chicken is not an egg. Shakespeare is not a fetus.
Democratic and managment counterargument: You had 101 senators when there was 100 million people, and now when there is 300 million people, I assume that representation in democracy dropped by 2/3. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Cheap counterargument: have you ever give your kidney to a child who could be Shakespeare?
Shakespeare's counterargument: My new books "How to cultivate arable land on Saturn" and "Breeding starship - drama in 3 acts" are now available.

Fertility rate has to drop under 2,1 somehow, I don't see silver bullets but we have some tools to start with. The main thing about limits to growth is the population, it's the only cause which we can expand or minimize, unlike to limited resources on Earth. PO is only the first sign in my opinion.

[Pretorian]

For Dennies and alike: in the last 17 hours alone, population grew by 160 000 ( you surely couldnt care less how to feed them ), and 26500 hectars of forest are lost along with 55 species. If that is not enough for you, what will it take?

[Tyler_JC]

I have to jump in here.



We will NEVER reach 10 billion people. There's a reason that the UN keeps lowering its expected peak population numbers.

Population growth will turn negative by the end of the century even without Peak Oil and its related consequences.

The natural feedback loop IS working.

Development leads to more cost per child leads to fewer children.

And renewed poverty won't increase birth rates either. During the Great Depression, birth rates fell. After the collapse of the USSR, many of the former Soviet Republics began experiencing rapid population decline.

[Alcassin]

Tyler_JC:

In that matter I wouldn't say "never".
The extrapolation of the UN is an optimistic version with one concept:
for the next 40 years the world will grow approximately by 4% per year. That the world economy will surely double. Are you sure it will double?

Nevertheless, still picture you showed represents growth. Main concern is rather ability to grow with limited resources or sustain and improve lives of 9-10 billion people in 2050.

Rwanda after collapse and genocide (it is considered as a malthusian catastrophe) kept population growth which now is 2,5%. Russian slow decline scenario was available because of high abortion rate, this scenario is not a law of physics, different societies will act differently.

On the other hand after depopulation nobody said that the growth will not return to another overshoot It is also very likely.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', '9')9.9% is 'perfect use', which assumes that people _actually use_ the birth control. The 93% figure includes women who forgot to take their pills and then have sex anyway. The 85% includes women who declared an intent to use condoms, but then chose to have unprotected sex. The prophylactics aren't failing, people are.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')...holocaust of fetuses.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')Wishing people were perfect is a really moronic way of trying to solve overpopulation. People are not perfect. People are typical.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'I') see you like Shakespeare, but don't you care that many like him could have been murdered in the womb?

[Madpaddy]

SPG,

I reckon you don't lose many arguements. BTW, I agree with everything you wrote in your last post.

"Why did the condom hit the wall?"

It was pissed off.

The way the world is going maybe a few Hitler's would solve the problem. A global low tech trench war. There are so many people now there probably aren't enough bullets to kill them all. When we run out of bullets we can use our entrenching tools to beat each other to death. This would also have the added benefit of leaving less toxic lead in the soil.

[POAlex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'I') see you like Shakespeare, but don't you care that many like him could have been murdered in the womb?

[lyrl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'F')orgetting to use them, is only one of the ways in which condoms fail by the way. Sometimes they slip off. Sometimes they break.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'B')oth points you're making can be summed up with the following.

Abortion is okay because the rest of us are selfish.

Do you not see how horrible that is?

[Bas]

PO alex be obviously a chauvinistic and judgemental male (probably with a catholic brainwash)

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lyrl', 'I')t is counterproductive to take the fact that barriers and other non-invasive methods are not for everybody (drunkards, for example), and use that to disparage them and not provide support in the use of such methods to anybody.

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'Y')ou're right about one thing, we do have a rotten nature, but that's no excuse to kill the unborn.

[smallpoxgirl]

The utter ridiculousness of the whole save a fetus for Jesus argument is that for the first 1850 years, Christians were totally fine with abortion. A fetus got a soul at quickening (about 20 weeks). Before that it was just a clump of tissue, and aborting it was fine. In the mid-1800's some pope made an edict and suddenly everybody's got their panties all in a wad about fetuses. It's about as biblical as the whole fish on Fridays malarkey. The only direct reference to fetuses or abortion anywhere in the bible is an old testament law that if you struck another man's wife and caused her to have a misscarriage, you had to give the man some money. Not you were a fetus murderer and were stoned to death, but you had to give the guy some money. Many of the surgical instruments used in abortion today were developed by the ancient romans. There were plenty of people doing abortions while Jesus was alive. If he'd wanted to go protest at an abortion clinic, he could have. Instead he was too busy protesting all the religious charlatans using God's name to promote their own agendas.

[Offshore]

{Off-topic posts split from China victims decry forced late-term abortions thread - emersonbiggins}

Abortion is murder. That's why the Democrats love it so much.

Human life or any life for that matter just isn't sacred to them. They are the party of human sacrifice.