[OilIsMastery]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')nd people think my 25% estimate is too high? The more posts that I read on this forum, the more I am convinced that the "Kill the humans, save the planet" crowd is slowly becoming the majority opinion.

[dbruning]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') prefer to imagine a world in which humanity takes better care of the planet, not a world without humans entirely.

[sciencegirl]

Knowing that 1000 people will eventually become billions that I cannot control, the first thing I would do is invent a bible. The bible will say negative things about fractional reserve banking, and it would preach science (as well as clean energy), as well as tolerance for other religions. That is step one

Next: Create a warrior class: The weakest 25% of the people will be sterilized (so that bad genes cannot be passed on) create a intellectual class: The stupidest 25% get sterilized. So our people get smarter every generation. The sterilized people than become the labor class . To do the menial work that needs doing.

Step 3: I create the Borg empire and rule the universe

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he more posts that I read on this forum, the more I am convinced that the "Kill the humans, save the planet" crowd is slowly becoming the majority opinion.

[phaeryen]

We used to play a lot of these utopia-games as children. Imagining up radical restructuralizations of culture and society.

I always yearned for changes of the extreme and radical kind in the way that we live, and so my utopian socities were always of the kind that cant be built in prevailing circumstances.

I tended to vouch for strong, centrally led styles of government and society. My idea was that broad and radical changes were only possible with this style of leadership. Later on Ive read quite a bit on the successes and failures of nations that have been driven this way, particularily in the 20th century. What rubs me wrong the most is that at some point it always seems that the ones with the power indulge themselves in gluttony and hedonism, and in the process of doing so forget about the nation theyre supposed to run, which has provided them with the opportunity to indulge in gluttony and hedonism in the first place. I never want to see another Mao, Hitler or Stalin anywhere. People who live a life so alienated from what you and I might deed the norm that they can slaughter other people in the tens of thousands are the most shameful specimens of our race whom I fear, hate and despise with all of my heart.

I guess my point is that I really dont know anymore where to even start having the perfect society. Maybe pockets of something akin to perfection will emerge in seclusion, as the events unfolding start to tear at the culture now in place. When the docile, consumerist IQ100 undereducated majority breaks out into the streets in anarchy, maybe then, in some place somewhere, the building of a nigh perfect little society can begin?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '"')Positive" for who? Humans went to town on various other species long before we began working bronze. Read about what happened when we arrived in Australia 50,000 years ago. Or are you talking about positive contribution of another sort?

[Emma]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaeryen', 'W')e used to play a lot of these utopia-games as children. Imagining up radical restructuralizations of culture and society. I always yearned for changes of the extreme and radical kind in the way that we live, and so my utopian socities were always of the kind that cant be built in prevailing circumstances. ...
I guess my point is that I really dont know anymore where to even start having the perfect society. Maybe pockets of something akin to perfection will emerge in seclusion, as the events unfolding start to tear at the culture now in place. When the docile, consumerist IQ100 undereducated majority breaks out into the streets in anarchy, maybe then, in some place somewhere, the building of a nigh perfect little society can begin?

[Ayame]

Don't foget that some leaders start out good (apparently Mugabe did much good for his country in the beginning) but they can't then let go of the reins of power and become dictators, bringing down the country with them.

[mos6507]

I've come to the conclusion that the US was founded under rarified ideal conditions to support a civil democracy and that the natural order of things is like what you see in the worst south american countries or Iraq, which is 100% corruption. Also, people are never that far removed from reverting to anarchy. Remove authority and they go crazy, as we saw in Katrina or Iraq.

[Grifter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')Also, people are never that far removed from reverting to anarchy. Remove authority and they go crazy, as we saw in Katrina or Iraq.