[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nano', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'D')ie back? Perhaps. Few would disagree with the gist of your post. "Powerdown" seems an inclusive term that should include powerdown of population, slowly, humanely.

[JPL]

There isn't going to be a 'Die Off'. (I think most of us have figured that out by now...)

'Die Off' was an interesting debate but it's now over. We need to move forward. Future problems can be faced either in isolation (in our little shacks in the wilderness, I have no problem with that) or together - by pooling our resources.

Humans are funny creatures, aren't we? We can touch Heaven, Hell, the Stars, and the Earth, all at the same time. One moment we're without hope and everything is going to be shit, then suddenly we're back up and fighting to build a better world. (Once again!!!)

How many times to we have to throw our spear at the stars and shout 'I, HUMAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM OR WHAT YOU ARE, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, I'M GOING TO KEEP THROWING THIS THING UNTIL IT HITS THE TARGET'?

Until that moment, we're not dead. We're going to fight for victory now. I don't know what the weapons are, or how we're going to do it. But you know what, I have this suspicion that we may just win once again (grin).

You see, genetically, we were primed for extinction about 10 minutes after we stepped out of the trees. Big, vulnerable head, poor eyesight, no fur, no claws.

Aren't we a wierd thing? Maybe we are gods, or space aliens, after all. Maybe we ARE really smarter then yeast???

JP

[RonMN]

Threadbear Said:
The idea that we are a victims of history, and bound to repeat it is defeatest.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree...Our youth have not learned history...they can't see beyond their Ipod or Brittney...therefore, yes, they/we are doomed to repeat history...(my opinion).

But Threadbear...what's eatin' you? Why the sudden worry about a die-off?

Is there anything I can do to help?

Ron...

[RonMN]

JPL Wrote:

Future problems can be faced either in isolation (in our little shacks in the wilderness, I have no problem with that) or together - by pooling our resources.

You tell me how things work out when you have 750 people on your front doorstep asking YOU to "share" YOUR resources.

Should be an interesting 34 minutes

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '
')I respect your opinion, but I disagree...Our youth have not learned history...they can't see beyond their Ipod or Brittney...therefore, yes, they/we are doomed to repeat history...(my opinion).

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]JPL Wrote:

Future problems can be faced either in isolation (in our little shacks in the wilderness, I have no problem with that) or together - by pooling our resources.

You tell me how things work out when you have 750 people on your front doorstep asking YOU to "share" YOUR resources.

Should be an interesting 34 minutes

[neocone]

Conflict is as necessary as peace.

Every prey needs a predator to keep itself healthy and balanced with the resources it uses.

The human race, having ran out of predators, will simply become subdivided into preys and predators.

Whether mass cannibalism happens or we use the holes created by nuclear bomb blasts to bury alive billions of victims in future death camps during future global conflicts, it will all the the result of delaying the inevitable and accepting too much of a lack of competition.

It is like not allowing brush fires for decades then degenerates into a huge massive wildfire that takes out beautiful trees that would not have been affected by the brushfires.

Nature always balances things out and every prey will always have a predator, because a need creates a result.

The shortage of resources we will experience is a simple parameter in a bigger picture, and life will go on after Peak Oil and whatever Peak of we have, and someday we will explore and colonize the Galaxy and Universe at large. This simply because we have bred in us that prey and predator duality which is at the root of all things.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '
')
Why do I get the idea that you might prefer a "kill off" to a "die off"

-G

[RonMN]

JPL Wrote:
Then change it (if you dare). Our children are our future,

Oh I DO dare...My necies's & nephews have made it CLEAR that they would want to go with me if anything happened to my sis's.

Yet they see me as an old relic (at the ripe old age of 41)...they may respect me...but that's only because I will tollerate nothing less.

They love me because i am one FUN mo-fo to be around.

But I can clearly see they are unfamiliar with it. If it wasn't ME (specifically) I think they would choose to go elsewhere.

Yet I can't break the mental grip that TV has on them (I don't need to go to school...I'll just shake my ass infront of the TV camera & make millions).

God, how I wish I could simply get it thru to them that this IS NOT HOW THE REAL WORLD WORKS!!!

[RonMN]

JPL Wrote:
I already have them banging at the door, in a big, hungry queue. I think the number is several thousand but I lost count a long time ago.

I have given what I have and am trying to figure out what is left in the cupboard.

And when the food runs out entirely...do you expect them to stay non-violent? Even when their children are starving???

[Cloud9]

Tonight any one of the super volcanoes could blow its top and slip us off into another ice age. Under those circumstances, we can look to the dark ages for consequences.

Barring that, I think we can look at the Great Depression as a model of things to come.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('neocone', 'C')onflict is as necessary as peace.

Every prey needs a predator to keep itself healthy and balanced with the resources it uses.

The human race, having ran out of predators, will simply become subdivided into preys and predators.

Whether mass cannibalism happens or we use the holes created by nuclear bomb blasts to bury alive billions of victims in future death camps during future global conflicts, it will all the the result of delaying the inevitable and accepting too much of a lack of competition.

It is like not allowing brush fires for decades then degenerates into a huge massive wildfire that takes out beautiful trees that would not have been affected by the brushfires.

Nature always balances things out and every prey will always have a predator, because a need creates a result.

The shortage of resources we will experience is a simple parameter in a bigger picture, and life will go on after Peak Oil and whatever Peak of we have, and someday we will explore and colonize the Galaxy and Universe at large. This simply because we have bred in us that prey and predator duality which is at the root of all things.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]JPL Wrote:
I already have them banging at the door, in a big, hungry queue. I think the number is several thousand but I lost count a long time ago.

I have given what I have and am trying to figure out what is left in the cupboard.

And when the food runs out entirely...do you expect them to stay non-violent? Even when their children are starving???

[Ludi]

I won't be fighting. I fully expect to be one of the "weak and unlucky" who croak in the die-off.


*shrug*

[Bas]

(((((((((((Ludi)))))))))))))))

don't let them mess with you, I love you.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')onight any one of the super volcanoes could blow its top and slip us off into another ice age. Under those circumstances, we can look to the dark ages for consequences.

Barring that, I think we can look at the Great Depression as a model of things to come.

[RonMN]

JPL...at the moment you are correct...there is no shortage of food.

Next year I expect that to be different...and i have preparred accordingly.

Have you?

P.S....you didn't answer my question...

Do you expect that people who are watching their children starve TO DEATH to remain NON-VIOLENT???

Seems like a resonable question...

[Ludi]

Thank you for caring, Bas, but the die-off crowd are the majority and they plan to withhold medication from those who depend on it, which means me.


Oh well, all for the good of the planet and stuff.

[RonMN]

Easy there Ludi...if I had a medication, or substance, or element, that wasn't needed in my clan...and you needed it desperately...i wouldn't be oppossed to giving it to you for free.

Yes I can see using it as a bargaining chip in the short term...but if you needed it & we didn't...I couldn't live with myself if i didn't give it to you.

[Ludi]

But we're always being told we need to make "hard choices" and if 4-5 billion people have to die, that means some of those people will be some of us. How could it be otherwise?


The plug will be pulled on the weak and unlucky, that much has been stated and not refuted.


Them's the breaks. Them's the "hard choices."