[NEOPO]

after truly considering the poll "when will die off occur" I re-read
Where will it end? which led me to Butterfly effect and then onto pondering Karma.
Hindu - $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')arma literally means "deed" or "act" and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction that governs all life. Karma is not fate, for man acts with free will creating his own destiny. According to the Vedas, if we sow goodness, we will reap goodness; if we sow evil, we will reap evil. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determines our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate response.

[Newsseeker]

Flap them there wings.

[NEOPO]

Me thinks you may be misinterpreting the concept and my intent with this thread but thank you for believing in the goodness of my heart My point is that all action is karma, produces future cause and effect just as the thought that a butterflies wings flapping could cause a hurricane at some future date et etc.

The thought is that everything we do impacts something/someone somewhere. Its a permaculture kinda thing. Think people think! Consider as much as you can before you take action. Ok I will do "god" with you purcatty. A word, generic terminology derived from the ancient hebrew word for male as in "jadhavah" which meant "male and female" thus Jad or God.

Now what is it to most people? Male, man, he. What is god to me?
Everything and no - thing at once. Karma is simply our actions and how they reverberate throughout this everything and no - thing at once...

If you knew me alittle better you would know that I would never use anything to justify the poor treatment of anyone let alone the poor classes although I do feel that anyone who hears the message, see's the writing on the wall etc etc and does not act/karma will suffer the effects of their inaction.

Would you agree with that? That anyone who has full knowledge that a flood is coming yet they sit in their home without doing anything basically deserves to drown. Some might refer to this as stupidity or conversely that the person who acts wisely is smart yet karma/action works for me. Inaction is action is also karma. Oh I could go on and on and probably so can you, so by all means please do, as if I have this all wrong I would thoroughly enjoy someone helping me to get it right

I want to bring hope with the thought that our actions today will reverberate thoughout and cause effects in all tomorrows....karma
That by doing all the things we can to change the world for better (sustainability, permaculture etc etc) we are producing good effects regardless of the doomer opinion that all is lost, screw it, total apathy as if doing nothing is no action, will produce no effect, is not karma... oh contrare!
<transforms into a butterfly and flies away>

[NEOPO]

Acting as if the world is coming to an end yet only attempting to change thing's politically (as if politics is the answer) say's alot also and I know you hear me Mr. man. I am just glad that I have the where with all to step back and understand the TRUE pathetic nature of things like this.

For many it is a popularity contest so of course we will cater to the sheeple more then to the truth. Ultimately, do this often enough and this board will be left with only sheeple and if that is what YOU want then that is what YOU will get... And this unkind will ripple throughout the internet's eternally.....

[TWilliam]

"You can choose a steady guide
In some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice..."

~ Rush, Freewill

Raph was certainly one of the more thought-provoking posters here...

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '"')You can choose a steady guide
In some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice..."

~ Rush, Freewill

Raph was certainly one of the more thought-provoking posters here...

[NEOPO]

It is fine and ultimately no worries as it was just an opening for me to vent so thank you. I am sure that one day I will hang up the phone for the last time here and perhaps it would be better sooner rather then later.

To TPTB - I would rather be loose then limp especially if we are talking cannon's If this is not making sense to any of you please do not be alarmed as I am ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY POSITIVE that those I am attempting to communicate with are indeed getting the message.

What? you think you can break off alittle PO in the sheeple's asses and that is that? As if it wouldnt lead to all the other HUGE issues that relate?

PFFFFFFFFFFFT!
As if it is all going to go down all natural like huh yeah good one...

Me thinks fantasy play time is over...

[NEOPO]

Yep, that is Raph's blog. Thank you for the link as I had misplaced it. Funny thing as while I was looking at the page and more specifically the nazca monkey it was also being discussed on the tube... There are no coincidences

[blukatzen]

You know Neo, as a horticulturist, I often notice Pollinators both in my own garden, and also at my work at the garden centers.

I often..if I had to choose one, for the longest time, identified with the bee, industrious, smart, building, building, building. Harvesting honey, sucking up to the queen, who rules the hive. Focused on work from an early age. Working until you die. It is interesting then, that we've heard so much in the media about colony collapse disorder and the disappearance of bees.
By the way...it is the European Italian Honey bee that is the workhorse of these types of "industrial hives" that pollinate cash crops like almonds, et al. I'd like to think all those "little sisters" (for that is what they are)..finally said "HEY! What's in it for US!"
If you think about how they are kept, what they are fed, the conditions they live in, it's NOT that different from us. We're both fed sugar from corn products now. It's a metaphor for how we live today.

Now, I have begun, in earnest, to see a LOT of butterflies this year, I mean a GREAT deal more than I have witnessed in the past. Or maybe I just "noticed them" a bit more. I don't know. I began to think about them while watching them flitting away, taking nourishment, delighting in their happiness navigating by the sun from flower to flower. Shorter life than the bee, but maybe a little more carefree in certain regards.

However, the beginning stages of their life was full of furious stages of growth, and a big transformation fromcaterpillar to chrysalis into the creature we know as a butterfly. The caterpillars that will eventually become a butterfly must use some defenses like body camoflauge or odors/tastes which they absorbed by eating through their limited diet on the plant family they have used to nourish them. (ex. Monarch/milkweed). It is the only diet they can eat that may keep them alive when they are in caterpillar stage, very vulnerable to birds or other animals that may like a *treat*.

The last stage is when they completely transform themselves, from one thing into a vastly different being. Most people think they are asleep, but they are working..quietly working in a cocoon as a chrysalis to transform themselves. I have watched caterpillars (Swallowtails) get almost drunk, fat and happy, engorged...and then appear to say "it's enough" then the next stage is a crysalis, almost within an hour or two. Sometimes I have come back to the plant later in an afternoon and it's already happened! Next stage has come upon us both...

I wish it well as it sorts out what it must do to transform itself, and I wait with it.....and if I am lucky, I see it emerge, or I see it after it has come out, within a few hours, to see it warm itself in the sun, to pump up it's new wings, full of it's own blood, testing it out, marvelling at it's own transformation. It's mandibles, once used for eating plant matter, destruction of a sort, have changed into a proboscis for sucking sap. It flits from one nectar source to another, spreading pollen as it goes along..

It is, as it has been told of it, a "flying flower". As an aside Neo, I am, as I told you in another post, putting in a butterfly garden, and am working on it right now, I have just taken a break from it this afternoon.. right now I have a LOT of butterflies in the backyard with their acrobatic dances.

I have pondered what this all means to me, and I just reckon that I may have to change like this butterfly did. It took a lot of work to get there, but in the end, I feel it is worth the transformation. I kind of like the metaphor in my life right now to savor the sweetness when I can, and delight in the summer's bounty... Autumn is just around the corner you know. I have to get those plants in that will become the butterfly "nursery" next year...

Yes, there is a butterfly effect..and "affect" too. This is a good metaphor for society Neo. I like the Mayan butterfly you've posted. (Jose Arguelles would be proud of you.) Time to flit back to the garden...

[blukatzen]

I looked at the next page to see a response or more thoughts on this matter, and it said that no posts exist for this subject matter.

Is there a limit to this thread?...?

[threadbear]

This book is an excursion through nature to recognize how the chirality manifests itself at different structural levels. The excursion starts in chemistry and physics. After the journey into outer space the focus is on the development of living organisms. link

I think it's also interesting to note that people have an artistic and architectural aversion to perfect symmetry. That entire issue may even be somehow manifested in the idea that we all seek perfect balance, but who would you rather have lunch with...someone like that or someone who's a bit out of whack. It's the seeking of balance, the journey, not the arriving, that's the thing.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') think it's also interesting to note that people have an artistic and architectural aversion to perfect symmetry. That entire issue may even be somehow manifested in the idea that we all seek perfect balance, but who would you rather have lunch with...someone like that or someone who's a bit out of whack. It's the seeking of balance, the journey, not the arriving, that's the thing.

[mercurygirl]

How strange...

I too have noticed more butterflies this year than the norm, enough so that I've remarked on it more than once. Those of us noticing are not necessarily in the same region, so it can't be weather patterns, can it?

Interesting thoughts and resources. Thanks.

PS Raphael was sometimes really reaching for connections, but at least he wasn't boring. Miss the dude.

[blukatzen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')re they not our MAIN pollinators of many animals primary food source?

[Plantagenet]

Butterfly (large)

[blukatzen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', 'H')ow strange. I too have noticed more butterflies this year than the norm, enough so that I've remarked on it more than once. Those of us noticing are not necessarily in the same region, so it can't be weather patterns, can it? Interesting thoughts and resources. Thanks.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I went back looking for that thread where I mocked Raph and that appears to be gone, too. I thought it was funny and some agreed with with me. Ah well, I'm not going to argue with the mods.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') went back looking for that thread where I mocked Raph and that appears to be gone, too. I thought it was funny and some agreed with with me. Ah well, I'm not going to argue with the mods.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'R')aph was banned for (purportedly) "numerous violations of the COC" (tho' I'm not aware of what these alleged violations were specifically, and I'm somewhat skeptical of this explanation) and ALL of his posts on the site were deleted.