[hanhao]

Workers losing jobs, but companies complain they cannot find qualified people?

Millions of workers have lost their jobs due to downsizing. At the same time, many organizations are complaining that they cannot find qualified people to fill vacancies. Isnt it strange?

would anyone like to comment?

[Kylon]

Simple,


Economies change, when economies change the requirements of workers change.

During the industrial revolution you had a massive downsizing of people in the area of craftsman and weavers that made products using the old traditional, non-mechanized methods.

Meanwhile you had a surge in the number of jobs related to using machinery to make clothing and trade goods.

That's what it probably is.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')illions of workers have lost their jobs due to downsizing. At the same time, many organizations are complaining that they cannot find qualified people to fill vacancies. Isnt it strange?

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')illions of workers have lost their jobs due to downsizing. At the same time, many organizations are complaining that they cannot find qualified people to fill vacancies. Isnt it strange?

[deMolay]

Maybe it has something to do with a worker in China earning 3/5 dollars a day for a 12 hour day without benefits or pensions. Communist China has about 700 Million of these workers. The multinationals love those numbers.

[OilIsMastery]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'S')imple,


Economies change, when economies change the requirements of workers change.

During the industrial revolution you had a massive downsizing of people in the area of craftsman and weavers that made products using the old traditional, non-mechanized methods.

Meanwhile you had a surge in the number of jobs related to using machinery to make clothing and trade goods.

That's what it probably is.

[firestarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')illions of workers have lost their jobs due to downsizing. At the same time, many organizations are complaining that they cannot find qualified people to fill vacancies. Isnt it strange?

[vision-master]

Educated dumbies in the work force.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'S')imple,


Economies change, when economies change the requirements of workers change.

During the industrial revolution you had a massive downsizing of people in the area of craftsman and weavers that made products using the old traditional, non-mechanized methods.

Meanwhile you had a surge in the number of jobs related to using machinery to make clothing and trade goods.

That's what it probably is.

[OilIsMastery]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'S')imple,


Economies change, when economies change the requirements of workers change.

During the industrial revolution you had a massive downsizing of people in the area of craftsman and weavers that made products using the old traditional, non-mechanized methods.

Meanwhile you had a surge in the number of jobs related to using machinery to make clothing and trade goods.

That's what it probably is.

[vision-master]

Yeah, no such thing.

Tell US how it works.

[mmasters]

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Economies change, when economies change the requirements of workers change.

During the industrial revolution you had a massive downsizing of people in the area of craftsman and weavers that made products using the old traditional, non-mechanized methods.

Meanwhile you had a surge in the number of jobs related to using machinery to make clothing and trade goods.

That's what it probably is.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', '
')You're absolutely full of it! And an elitist to boot!

[I_Like_Plants]

And it sucks because machinist is a kickass job. OK not a kickass job compared to some of the big-money ones I guess, but you get to make stuff.

And it's damned near impossible for non-"minority" working-class folks in the US to get the training. Generally they end up resorting to high-priced private schools that teach HVAC, car repair, electronics tech (EXTREMELY expensive) etc.

Forget about becoming a doctor, nurse, pharmacist, power engineer, etc. It's just basically fucking impossible for the non-rich*. So, people for those positions are imported and the Americans who'd normally go into those jobs end up bondo'ing cars for a sort-of-living.


*As always, "rich" in my screeds = those who are so wealthy, their parents have a place to live and let the kid/young adult live at home while getting schooling. This is amazingly rare - most Americans are running their asses off to survive and can't give their kids 3 hots and a cot while they go to community college. The kid/young adult is all on their own, totally.

[OilIsMastery]

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Economies change, when economies change the requirements of workers change.

During the industrial revolution you had a massive downsizing of people in the area of craftsman and weavers that made products using the old traditional, non-mechanized methods.

Meanwhile you had a surge in the number of jobs related to using machinery to make clothing and trade goods.

That's what it probably is.

[JoeW]

This topic is really interesting and I have a strong opinion regarding it.

Hiring managers who are accepting resumes basically have no goddammed clue how to find good workers. They assume that if a job includes duties x, y, and z, then the best way to find good workers is to find all the resumes of people who have experience doing x, y, and z.

The flaw is that they are basically looking for people that have done the exact same thing and have FAILED. If they are so great at x, y, and z, then why the fuck are they looking for a job now?

You don't hire a set of skills. You hire a person. These dumbasses should be looking at general skills, like the ability to write a cohesive resume and cover letter with appropriate spelling and grammar. Look at the reasons why individuals find themselves in search of work. Evaluate the complete work history and educational background. Everyone has a story. Understand the whole story and then find out if all of it is true. Diligently check the references. Liars go in the trash can.

Also...
Exaggerating accomplishments or falsely representing oneself on a job application, resume, or cover letter should be criminal offenses punishable with both fines and prison sentences. The current system is one that rewards liars.

There is no shortage of qualified workers. There is a shortage of workers with skills x, y, and z. X probably takes two days for an intelligent person to learn, y takes two weeks to learn, and z takes two months. Any dumbass can learn x and y, but z takes some intelligence. A training company decides to start selling x, y, and z certifications for $8000, and they guarantee you will pass all the certification exams in five days because they just give you the questions and answers to study and then send you in for the exam. Companies somehow value these certifications. What does that really say about skills x, y, and z, that companies can't find qualified workers to do? It says to me that companies aren't willing to spend a few days/weeks/months training people, or a few minutes to figure out if a candidate is capable of learning the job.

I can't tell you how many phone screenings I have had where the questions go like this (fill in the blanks):

Have you ever ____?
Have you ever ____?
Have you ever ____?

Seriously, I don't think that answering those questions really says much about whether the candidate can do the job. The better questions to ask are "Why do you want this job? You have never done x, y, or z. What makes you think you can step into this job?"

Then there is the concept of 'networking'. This is basically the buddy system, where the company hires someone because they knew someone that the hiring manager knows.
Equal opportunity employer my ass. The guy with the buddy doing the hiring gets the job.

In the US, the system is in such a state that it is almost impossible for good workers to connect with good jobs.

Of course, it is also nearly impossible for employers to get rid of bad workers, too, which is another subject entirely.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', 'E')xaggerating accomplishments or falsely representing oneself on a job application, resume, or cover letter should be criminal offenses punishable with both fines and prison sentences. The current system is one that rewards liars.

[vision-master]

I always got the office in the basement. No windows either.

Matter of fact, Physical Plant Operations always gets the basement. Glad I'm done.

[gampy]

I would reckon that many qualified, competent, intelligent, hard-working people have had run-ins with the War on Drugs.

Many, many corporations do criminal background checks, and drug tests.

Many, many potential workers fail these checks.

It's pretty hard to have a past nowadays. Damn near impossible if you want to work for any kind of large organization.

[jasonraymondson]

I would like point out that I am one of the poorest fuckers probably on here, and I am going to college and am white. I am working on my masters degree. While I was growing up, my parents combined income was less than 26,000 per year and they had to take care of 5 kids and themselves on this income.

I am paying my own way through a state college with a little help from fafsa. So those who bitch and complain about how only a colored person can go to school is full of bull shit. Sure some do get things easier, but in life you have to make sacrifices in order to achieve that which you want the most. Every single person on here can go to any college they wish, just as long as they have the intelligence and the test scores required by that university. with a little research and persaverance anything is possible.



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