[kevincarter]

The correct answer for me would be:

I don't know because I've never been into such situation.

I say that because we are not at all that rational, we are animals, no more, no less, we *think* that we are rational, smart and intelligent but after all our astronauts wear dipers.

It is ovious that animals fight for survival, but it is also true that animals that have been in captivity or domesticated for too long can have the most random behaviour. You can *plan* what would you do in such situation but you can't never know what you'd do, because the shit is so extreme that your superficial rational part would be overwelmed by your animal part. It's like when someone robs you. You can think beforehand what you'd do if someone puts a gun in your face, but once you see the barrel in front of you all your rationality goes away, and as someone said, later on you make it all work out.

6+ billion? Yeah, lots of people are gonna die, but everyone dies, right? Compulsory one child policy? No way camerade. Can nature do better than us? Yes it can, and it will do.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', '
')But I think the disagreement between Monte and Shannymara has to do with their intentions behind their statements, or something... I think Shannymara sees no point in trying population control; it's hopeless.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chesire', 'G')ive up my spot and encourage other people with the best chance of surviving the water to do the same. I have no fear of death and it would be preferable to bashing in women and children's head with an oar to survive. There is a great deal of survival courage in this thread there is very little moral courage.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Monte has no Nazi-like global authoritarian plan. Shannymara is against trying to reduce the population by any means as she has clearly stated many times.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Monte has no Nazi-like global authoritarian plan. Shannymara is against trying to reduce the population by any means as she has clearly stated many times.

[Revi]

For the lifeboat, substitute Sedona and for the people desperate to get into it, substitute anyone who made it out of Phoenix and surroundings. Now you have what Montequest might have to deal with in the next 10 years. It is time to think about these things.

We'll have to deal with people from Boston and NYC. I was thinking that the only way they could get out would be by boat. A small sailboat would be a survival tool. We could be dealing with a very similar scenario to the lifeboat. My bug out spot is a small island off the coast of Maine, where we live in the summer. We could be inundated by refugees from Megalopolis quite easily. I suppose they would be welcome if they were already involved in the community, but they would be a big problem if they were not.

A couple of years ago I went to an island in Greece, called Aegina. There is a huge ruin in the center of the island, not visible from the sea. That was where the population went to get away from pirates. There must have been thousands of people living there for a long time. It got me to thinking. Will my bug out spot be inundated by pirates?

I think that most people won't make it out of the big cities at all. Look at what happened to the highways between Houston and Dallas when Rita hit. They became traffic jams and all those SUV's ran out of gas. I think that if you are 20 miles or more from an interstate you stand a better chance of not getting swamped by refugees. If it's a hard and fast crash. We'll see...

[dinopello]

Is the Monte plan just academic, or is there a political party, or even a single elected person anywhere in the US at any level that has this issue on their platform? This is how it would start locally - find some place that would elect you based on the 12-step plan for population reduction.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Those are clearly attempts at backpedaling out of her previous statements to the contrary.

The record speaks for itself.

[Hawkcreek]

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[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Those are clearly attempts at backpedaling out of her previous statements to the contrary.

The record speaks for itself.

[holmes]

OIL has created a fantasy of "morals and values". Oil has created a false "compassion" as well. Soon we will find out a swarm has been created and these "morals, values and compassion" are going to go bye bye. Maybe they will return after WE HAVE PAYED THE PIPER. I do have to laugh about how disconnected humans truly and how they think that we are really going to get off scott free and suffer zero or very minimal consequences for our actions. Ludicrous to say the least. Just pass the buck big boys.

[Chesire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chesire', 'G')ive up my spot and encourage other people with the best chance of surviving the water to do the same. I have no fear of death and it would be preferable to bashing in women and children's head with an oar to survive. There is a great deal of survival courage in this thread there is very little moral courage.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chesire', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chesire', 'G')ive up my spot and encourage other people with the best chance of surviving the water to do the same. I have no fear of death and it would be preferable to bashing in women and children's head with an oar to survive. There is a great deal of survival courage in this thread there is very little moral courage.

[holmes]

Hee hee. nature will provide unspeakable horrors in its drive to reduce the mass. So far cheap energy has been masking reality. Human minds can not even attempt the kind of reduction plan nature has in store. Its funy how people are raging against the IDEA of reducing population. yet turn a blind eye to all the horrors already occuring to the overpopulated bloated masses. specious oil based thinking. It will only get worse too. crazy. Just whine and complain after the fact. Just deal with it and get off the boards! Stop attempting to do something. Your attempts are feeble and do not even begin to get to the heart of ALL the problems in the world. Just a flashy show. just bullshit. Yawn.
In fact these band aid solution threads that come up should just get labeled BULLSHIT.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', ' ') Its funy how people are raging against the IDEA of reducing population. yet turn a blind eye to all the horrors already occuring to the overpopulated bloated masses. specious oil based thinking.

[holmes]

Monte,
it is ludicrous to say the least. But lets face the facts: OIL has allowed us to even think in these "compassionate" terms. It is truly an oil based compassion and utterly false. Wait till people have to make hard choices. Like which child has to die. But thats the crazy part. We will stave this off at all costs no matter what. We will blow out the last scraps and hand the horror off to a younger generation. I love the compassionate parents on here. you know the ones who are like "oh the horrors". They are so funny because they are going to force THEIR children that they so love and adore to have to make those horrifying choices. Or their childrens children. You get the point. Really a selfish human condition is apparent. nature will provide a holocaust that will make the commies and nazi's look like kindergarden teachers.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'M')onte,
it is ludicrous to say the least. But lets face the facts: OIL has allowed us to even think in these "compassionate" terms. It is truly an oil based compassion and utterly false. Wait till people have to make hard choices. Like which child has to die. But thats the crazy part. We will stave this off at all costs no matter what. We will blow out the last scraps and hand the horror off to a younger generation. I love the compassionate parents on here. you know the ones who are like "oh the horrors". They are so funny because they are going to force THEIR children that they so love and adore to have to make those horrifying choices. Or their childrens children. You get the point. Really a selfish human condition is apparent. nature will provide a holocaust that will make the commies and nazi's look like kindergarden teachers.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'T')hey strike me as very counter-productive.

[holmes]

Monte,
thankfully someone with more than one child gets it! The ones that have 2+ children usually are swimming in the river denial. The facade of compassionate loving wonderful parents really is nerve racking to me. If one just exposes the real truth it is all about ME, I and how and what I want. A purely selfish agenda this modern childbearing and breeding. its about what the parents want. Not what they need or what the seeds needs. Or what society needs. or if the environment can support them without cheap energy. Wants. Oil going bye bye will force NEEDS front and center. the days of frivolous and selfish wants and desires are going to be a thing of the past. It is amazing how much OIL has created a video game like fantasy land.
The rage against even thinking about recucing breeding rates is amazing to me. However it is ok to have perpetual war as the result of these extras being blown out on the declining fertile crescents. Orwellian it seems.

[holmes]

When I hear these bleeding hearts rage against the machine and war yet never address immigration and breeding rates in this country i quickly run to the bathroom and vomit.
Its like they do not know how to add 2 and 2 together or connect the dots. Strange.
You want problems to reduce and the world to sing kumbahya you better address overpopulation and lay down fire and brimstone on your borders. if you do not adress this then one needs to STFU.