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Rudy Giuliani's Gulag: Definition of Freedom

Unread postby Roccland » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 01:01:27

This Rudy Giuliani quote, from an article in the Rocky Mountain
Chronicle, was posted on Daily Kos this evening:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby EROEI » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 01:17:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'T')his Rudy Giuliani quote, from an article in the Rocky Mountain
Chronicle, was posted on Daily Kos this evening:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."


http://www.dailykos.com/


Kinda reminds me of Microsoft Vista UAC (User Access Control)
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby Polemic » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 01:35:38

Freedom is Slavery!

/obvious
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby Roccland » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 09:15:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P').S. Markos "Screw Them" Zuniga of DailyKos is a terrorist traitor who should hang.


Ummmm...what does this have to do at all with what Rudy said?
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby jato » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 14:49:12

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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 14:56:17

Freedom is not freedom to murder you morons. Freedom isn't possible without Biblical morality.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- President John Adams 1798
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby Roccland » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 18:10:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', 'F')reedom is not freedom to murder you morons. Freedom isn't possible without Biblical morality.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- President John Adams 1798


You have said "biblical morality" twice.

I am atheist.

Could you help me understand your postion in a more secular lens?
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 18:47:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', 'F')reedom is not freedom to murder you morons. Freedom isn't possible without Biblical morality.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- President John Adams 1798


You have said "biblical morality" twice.

I am atheist.

Could you help me understand your postion in a more secular lens?

Sure. Since Atheists don't believe in God-given laws and absolute moral laws they think that freedom should include the "freedom" to murder, rape, steal, etc. This is called moral relativism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism

Jews and Christians on the other hand believe in absolute moral laws (The Ten Commandments etc) that are true because they are God-given.
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby Roccland » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 19:06:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', 'F')reedom is not freedom to murder you morons. Freedom isn't possible without Biblical morality.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- President John Adams 1798


You have said "biblical morality" twice.

I am atheist.

Could you help me understand your postion in a more secular lens?

Sure. Since Atheists don't believe in God-given laws and absolute moral laws they think that freedom should include the "freedom" to murder, rape, steal, etc. This is called moral relativism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism

Jews and Christians on the other hand believe in absolute moral laws (The Ten Commandments etc) that are true because they are God-given.


That's interesting...I don't think that at all...keep it up.
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 19:12:12

Why is it morally wrong to murder? Because you say so? Or because God says so?
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby jato » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 19:18:56

Morality is set by society. Murder in one society may be against the law. In another society it may be encouraged.


Main Entry: free·dom
Pronunciation: 'frE-d&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being free: as a : the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action b : liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another : INDEPENDENCE c : the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous.
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 19:22:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'M')orality is set by society.

Just ask the Nazis.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')urder in one society may be against the law. In another society it may be encouraged.

Exactly why we need God's laws.
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 20:00:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'M')orality is set by society.

Just ask the Nazis.


Or the Hebrews, from whom you apparently get your moral code.
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 20:19:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'M')orality is set by society.

Just ask the Nazis.


Or the Hebrews, from whom you apparently get your moral code.

It's God's moral code, therefore it's absolute. It's only coincidentally my moral code.
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby frankthetank » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 20:21:35

I think morality is set by nature. I think most of our questions are found in nature and not some book that was made up 2000 years ago. Just remember, in the whole time scale of things, we are barely out of the trees (as Carlin would say).

I have no idea what this has to do with Rudy, the guy who saved the world on 9/11, who married and divorced his cousin? and who's current wife is a gold digger (what else is new?) and who's own kid doesn't even support? What a family man! He makes Mitt look human :)
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 20:25:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I') think morality is set by nature. I think most of our questions are found in nature and not some book that was made up 2000 years ago. Just remember, in the whole time scale of things, we are barely out of the trees (as Carlin would say).

If you don't think morality is set by God then you might as well just say it's set by Adolf Hitler and Charles Manson.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have no idea what this has to do with Rudy, the guy who saved the world on 9/11, who married and divorced his cousin? and who's current wife is a gold digger (what else is new?) and who's own kid doesn't even support? What a family man! He makes Mitt look human :)

Haha poor Rudy.
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Re: Rudy's Gulag

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 12 Aug 2007, 20:29:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilIsMastery', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', 'M')orality is set by society.

Just ask the Nazis.


Or the Hebrews, from whom you apparently get your moral code.

It's God's moral code, therefore it's absolute. It's only coincidentally my moral code.


It's the Hebrew's moral code and they claim it as God's. It's your moral code because you choose it to be.

My basic moral code is coincidentally that given by Jesus:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Matthew 7:12', '
')In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
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