[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', '
')Use camo netting to disguise the construction site from the aerial snoops that operate on behalf of city permit offices. The netting can be laid on the ground where it will look more or less like a mangey lawn. When you're done and you're in the process of backfilling the whole thing, put a brick-on-sand patio atop it or some other harmless bit of backyard landscaping stuff, or better yet a food crop garden, to show the building inspector if s/he happens to mosey around.

Cheerful future we're facing, isn't it?

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic30989-0-asc-45.html

[burtonridr]

lol ok first impression after reading just the first post, you remind me of Dale Gribble off king of the hill Its freakin awesome!

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'O')k...so the bunker I chose is 25' long x 8' diameter with a 3' manhole entrance at one end and a 6" vent at the other.

[Roccland]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'O')k...so the bunker I chose is 25' long x 8' diameter with a 3' manhole entrance at one end and a 6" vent at the other.

[burtonridr]

Ive got a couple ideas to hide the entrance and vent from angry people coming through your neighborhood. First, plant shrubs around the entrance and vent, but make it look like they are part of your nice landscaping. Use shrubs that are not very thick, if a person is looking for someone and can see right through the shrub, chances are he wont go investigate and make sure no one is hiding behind it, which could lead to him discovering your man hole. The shrubs could also help hide the you when you decide you need to peak out. Second you could rig a small CO2 cartridge to like a very wide mouth small cannon(or something). Then load the small cannon with leaves and twigs and whatever else is found on the ground around your house. Then wire it to a button in the bunker. So once your inside it blows leaves all over the entrance and it doesnt look like someone has been walking through there. I dont know if the C02 would be the thing to use but you get the picture.

Another thing, I dont know if you considered was the terrain around your bunker entrance. Is it on higher ground than everything around it? not only because of water, but gas and smoke may settle into the low spots.

Also have you considered digging an escape tunnel, just in case. Then set up surveillance watching it and rig a charge to collapse the tunnel if someone finds it.

[Roccland]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burtonridr', 'I')ve got a couple ideas to hide the entrance and vent from angry people coming through your neighborhood. First, plant shrubs around the entrance and vent, but make it look like they are part of your nice landscaping. Use shrubs that are not very thick, if a person is looking for someone and can see right through the shrub, chances are he wont go investigate and make sure no one is hiding behind it, which could lead to him discovering your man hole. The shrubs could also help hide the you when you decide you need to peak out. Second you could rig a small CO2 cartridge to like a very wide mouth small cannon(or something). Then load the small cannon with leaves and twigs and whatever else is found on the ground around your house. Then wire it to a button in the bunker. So once your inside it blows leaves all over the entrance and it doesnt look like someone has been walking through there. I dont know if the C02 would be the thing to use but you get the picture.

Another thing, I dont know if you considered was the terrain around your bunker entrance. Is it on higher ground than everything around it? not only because of water, but gas and smoke may settle into the low spots.

Also have you considered digging an escape tunnel, just in case. Then set up surveillance watching it and rig a charge to collapse the tunnel if someone finds it.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')BTW, if you want to booby trap a root cellar, which should be airtight by design, place something like a kerosene lamp in it. It will burn until it runs out of oxygen, meanwhile filling the air with carbon monoxide. The air will remain lethal for quite some time. You can come home and drag (hoist in your case ) the dead maurauders out at your leisure. You can also produce lamp black this way."

[Roccland]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')BTW, if you want to booby trap a root cellar, which should be airtight by design, place something like a kerosene lamp in it. It will burn until it runs out of oxygen, meanwhile filling the air with carbon monoxide. The air will remain lethal for quite some time. You can come home and drag (hoist in your case ) the dead maurauders out at your leisure. You can also produce lamp black this way."

[steam_cannon]

Here are a couple more ideas on bunkers/root cellars, I came across this morning...

Man lives in a hole (with a great escape feature)
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 ... e.man.kmph


Buffalo Man Lives In Underground Bunker (perhaps a better design)
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.a ... ryid=48512


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')I got books on roof framing, post framing, and things like that, so that I would have the formulas available to calculate the loads properly so the roof wouldn't collapse on me while I was sleeping," added Rounds.

A car battery serves as the main source of power for a small light and clock just above his bed.

That car battery is also connected to a spliced extension cord that powers a radio with speakers inside and outside of the bunker.

There's a fireplace with a vent that serves as a heat source and stove.

And then there's the issue of a bathroom.

Mychajliw: "This is somewhat of an embarrassing question, it's the first thing I thought of: what about a bathroom?"

Rounds: "The bathroom? I use the porta-john that I got from one of the elderly people in the neighborhood. They donated it to me, because they knew I needed that."

It isn't exactly a porta-john.

It's a walker that has a toilet seat positioned over a bucket.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'H')ere are a couple more ideas on bunkers/root cellars, I came across this morning...

Man lives in a hole (with a great escape feature)
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/200 ... e.man.kmph


Buffalo Man Lives In Underground Bunker (perhaps a better design)
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.a ... ryid=48512


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')I got books on roof framing, post framing, and things like that, so that I would have the formulas available to calculate the loads properly so the roof wouldn't collapse on me while I was sleeping," added Rounds.

A car battery serves as the main source of power for a small light and clock just above his bed.

That car battery is also connected to a spliced extension cord that powers a radio with speakers inside and outside of the bunker.

There's a fireplace with a vent that serves as a heat source and stove.

And then there's the issue of a bathroom.

Mychajliw: "This is somewhat of an embarrassing question, it's the first thing I thought of: what about a bathroom?"

Rounds: "The bathroom? I use the porta-john that I got from one of the elderly people in the neighborhood. They donated it to me, because they knew I needed that."

It isn't exactly a porta-john.

It's a walker that has a toilet seat positioned over a bucket.

[notwithmeyouwont]

the idea is good
hopwever what about floods and lightning
I can imagine such a steel tube will be a great torch during lightningstorms
second, you need at least 60 cm of earth covered over it and not leave it open like that

I do agree with the idea, and the necessaty of building shelter and storage
and I also believe that such shelter should be nuke proof, since your government is so eager to start World War III

I had some other ideas on how top survive,
take a look if you like, might be helpfull
http://notwithmeyouwont.wordpress.com/

greetz,
notwithmeyouwont

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('notwithmeyouwont', 't')he idea is good
hopwever what about floods and lightning
I can imagine such a steel tube will be a great torch during lightningstorms
second, you need at least 60 cm of earth covered over it and not leave it open like that

I do agree with the idea, and the necessaty of building shelter and storage
and I also believe that such shelter should be nuke proof, since your government is so eager to start World War III

I had some other ideas on how top survive,
take a look if you like, might be helpfull
http://notwithmeyouwont.wordpress.com/

greetz,
notwithmeyouwont

[culicomorpha]

Cool idea Rocc, and nice follow through. Ditto on the jaw-jabbers.

The same tube material is also used for stream conduits under roads, and they take a long long time to rust even when water is flowing through them 24/7. You should have no problems in the desert, although I agree with gg3 that water and sewage are the big two limiting factors for any stay over a few days.

I don't think lightning is an issue at all. Not only is the tube a good conductor in direct contact with the Earth, but it is effectively a Faraday cage and provides a moderate amount of protection from EMPs. In fact, unless they are right on top of the tube, chances are very good the govt wouldn't even detect electronic signals from inside the tube. So you can play your ipod while waiting for the dust to settle.

One idea though. I've been kicking around this idea for an air cleaner. I want to develop something for inside cars to filter out the various hydrocarbons and particulate matter. Seems like it might be useful for the tube, possibly?

My plan was to take a vacuum cleaner HEPA filter (dirt devil makes a very nice cylindrical shaped HEPA filter), add a squirrel cage fan and fill the inside of the filter with activated charcoal and maybe some cotton wool. I think this might be good enough to capture many radioactive particles, although it won't stop the particles from emitting radiation. It wouldn't help for CO, but I am quite sure that if someone can manage to get a hose into your tube, you can probably get a clean shot.

Anyway, just a thought... thanks for sharing your preps... always good to have more ideas.

[strider3700]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('culicomorpha', '
')My plan was to take a vacuum cleaner HEPA filter (dirt devil makes a very nice cylindrical shaped HEPA filter), add a squirrel cage fan and fill the inside of the filter with activated charcoal and maybe some cotton wool. I think this might be good enough to capture many radioactive particles, although it won't stop the particles from emitting radiation. It wouldn't help for CO, but I am quite sure that if someone can manage to get a hose into your tube, you can probably get a clean shot.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'T')hanks Steam for the new info...

the tube has spent almost a year in the ground - has been as cold as 60 and as warm as 82 (on a 115 day).

Air is very thin - I need to get the vent fan hooked up.

[roccman]

Wow Steam...

My apologies - this is way late.

Just goes to show - beating down zombies is a full time job.

I saw the 8th wonder on another thread...completely inspired me to get moving on my creation...maybe not the 9th wonder, but to have a better garden this season than the last 4.

MY GF and I picked up trees a few days ago...what we put together is that nuts, figs, and citrus we will grow at the site with the "tube" and apples, pears, cherries, and peaches at the farmlette because it is at a higher elevations.

We thought of using the "road" i got stranded on in the mountains and had my "walkabout" in august as a trade route between the two sites with LLama.

WRT the air in the tube...I have a 12 foot 6 inch steel vent that attaches on the vent hole on one side of the tube ...and as you mentioned it was designed to suck air out.

Right now I do not have it installed because I do not live at the site year round and want it completely buttoned up...I put a small boulder on the vent opening and buried it so no-one knows where it is at...I will dig it up and put it on once I move out of Phoenix permanently...maybe in 6 months or so.

Keep well- say hi to the misses.

[notwithmeyouwont]

Just some more thoughts on this whole bunkerplan...
I agree with some that a bunker in any form without 2 exits is a deadtrap. Also the airsupply must be better regulated and have two or three options. The moistproblem that would start off as soon as you get in the bunker should be solved. Good venting is necessary.
What worries me is the violant state of mind some of you clearly show here. I think the very fact that Americans are just raised with guns, with violance and a lot of other bullshit makes a culture of violant people. I am pretty sure that brings nothing and has no point. Americans only stand a chance when they change their culture of violance and agression radically. Its like an entire country on a state of chronic insanity. No wonder things will go totally out of hand when food is running out, fuel is unavailable and people loose access to their money and cars to get themselves in safety.
Frankly, I think we are all in a lot of trouble, thanks to US commander in chief, the alcoholic warcriminal G.W. Bush, but most Americans have the least chance of survival due to their culture and ideology.

Here is my preparationslist: http://notwithmeyouwont.wordpress.com/2 ... parations/
Good luck on all of you!!

[ki11ercane]

I have been considering the "underground whatever you want to call it" option as part of my long term plan for a while. It's near the bottom of my list right now simply because of where I live.

I considered a more modular option of a sea container. I currently own one above ground. It's made of Cordon steel, water proof, and airtight when the door is closed. It's designed for sea travel so the time it will take to rust out will be quite significant. Without any current knowledge I am sure I can learn what it would take to seal the outer layer to make it more resistant to being in the ground. Dimensions of a 20 footer are 8'x8'x20'. Lots of room for pretty much anything you can think of. Cost was $3000.00 before taxes so I guess after excavation and concrete it would probably come out close to the figure for the "tube," maybe a little less.

[strider3700]

sea containers are strong at the corners but will collapse on the sides and top if you try and bury them. You'll need to do something to brace those sides and that will rapidly increase the costs.

[steam_cannon]

The Mini Tube

This goes along with my earlier links on miniature root cellars for gardens...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The Food Torpedo (Waterproof PVC Tube)



The principle of the "Torpedo" is a relatively simple one and is
adaptable to many storage uses from food, to storage of
documents, money, priceless photos, and valuables of all kinds.
The torpedo principle is limited only by your own imagination...

...Many years ago, when imaging my "Backyard Survival" plans, two
questions arose. The first was security: What happens if someone
comes along and steals all your food?

6" diameter Schedule 40 P.V.C (which is very thick) and cut it into 4
ft. lengths. This can be adapted as a food storage container (as
the diagram illustrates). Using rubber caps (called "J" caps), which
come supplied with a steel band, the unit can be secured to be both
water and insect proof. I tested mine in a swimming pool.

...In my book I tell the story of how many years after the London
bombing had stopped, the piles of rubble were finally cleared away
to make room for new houses. As the bulldozers worked clearing
the site of each once standing house, the people who had lived
there flocked like birds. As soon as they were able, they pulled
containers of all kinds (glass jars, tin boxes, etc.) from the ground.
Each was recovered with precious contents intact. In many cases,
pictures of sons and daughters lost in combat, family heirlooms,
important records, and other family treasures that would have been
lost in the mass destruction were saved because they were kept
underground all those years, the hiding place known only to the
person who buried such treasures.

http://theepicenter.com/tow04166.html