[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eople have endured hardships in the US and elsewhere before. But never has a world-wide crisis like peak oil happened before.
You may have faith in the average American person post peak, but I don't. These people (strangers) you have faith in to work together peacefully are now all well fed and can still buy whatever they want and need, whether it be on credit or with cash. Take that away and most of these 'trustworthy, peaceful people' will turn into angry mobs, putting their families first above all else. These are the facts, whether you like it or not. It's called survival. I do believe that in a peaceful, unselfish world where people would sacrifice for the common good of the country there could be a smooth transition to power down. But unfortunately we don't live in that kind of fantasy world. Welcome to the reality of a spoiled, selfish, individualistic society.

[mkwin]

Drifter -You say the world has never faced a world-wide crisis like peak oil before.

World War 2 was no picnic. I know from my Grandparents experience of the blitz that times were tough. People lived on very basic rations and under the threat of death every night they went to sleep and heard the hum of German bombers. Far from separating and causing civil strife this bought people closer together.

I’m not sure what will happen post-peak, what the aggregate rate of decline will be; maybe CERA’s undulating plateau is correct? Or maybe the world’s giant fields are about to collapse at double digit decline rates. The bottom line is, I have no idea and neither do you. Your ultra-pessimistic attitude is quite baseless and probably more reflective of your personality (and maybe watching too many Mad Max films).

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'u')ltra-pessimistic attitude is quite baseless and probably more reflective of your personality (and maybe watching too many Mad Max films).

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'u')ltra-pessimistic attitude is quite baseless and probably more reflective of your personality (and maybe watching too many Mad Max films).

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here exists on this forum a large group of people who believe that global anarchy is inevitable. I'm not sure where they came up with this belief but the idea is so firmly rooted in their psyche that any attempt to debate it leads to name-calling and emotional rants.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') also wonder where the belief that a reduction in the availability of cheap liquid transport fuel (sometimes called "Peak Oil) should lead to a collapse of the electrical grid, the federal/state/local governments, the food distribution network, etc.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell I can't weigh in about global anarchy but I am going to have to play devils advocate on the last bit..
Cheap liquid transport fuel drives our economy. I think it could easily have an immediate effect on food distribution (cost increases in shipping are obvious already) and maintenance of the electric grid. If you have ever studied the US electric grid Tyler, you would know that it is on the precipice already. The US grid is complex, interconnected, overstressed and under maintained. I will give you a regional anecdote..Power outages where I live are fairly common (2 in the last month) and last over 8 hours frequently. The last two were just as the result of average summer storms moving through and both lasted over 8 hours. I suspect this would make nationwide news if it occurred in LA, NY etc. But it doesn't even make state news here; granted I am on the fringe but that is where infrastructure is most ignored.
Keep in mind that local/state/federal governments all base their future budgets on infinite growth. How can that be a good idea?

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')eep in mind that local/state/federal governments all base their future budgets on infinite growth. How can that be a good idea?

[mark]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'M')ost people I talk to have a reasonable understanding of the energy dilema we are in and know there are difficult times coming, you cannot stereotype everyone in society in the same camp - and just for the record I am a firm believer mankind has a destructive nature and always will - But until the entire system breaks people gunfighting in the streets isn't going to happen.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '�')��Uh, sorry folks, we kinda used up all the easy oil.”

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mkwin', 'D')rifter -You say the world has never faced a world-wide crisis like peak oil before.
World War 2 was no picnic. I know from my Grandparents experience of the blitz that times were tough. People lived on very basic rations and under the threat of death every night they went to sleep and heard the hum of German bombers. Far from separating and causing civil strife this bought people closer together.
I’m not sure what will happen post-peak, what the aggregate rate of decline will be; maybe CERA’s undulating plateau is correct? Or maybe the world’s giant fields are about to collapse at double digit decline rates. The bottom line is, I have no idea and neither do you. Your ultra-pessimistic attitude is quite baseless and probably more reflective of your personality (and maybe watching too many Mad Max films).

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd who, my friend, is the common enemy this time? I have no doubt our respective governments are busily creating "enemies" to dehumanize and demonize in order to point the finger of blame away.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'B')ush's days are finished - The guys is crazy and will go down as the worst President in US History.

[Lore]

This was an interesting story written in April of last year. I would venture to say the opinion has declined even further since then.



The Worst President in History?
One of America's leading historians assesses George W. Bush

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow, though, George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure." Among those who called Bush a success, many gave the president high marks only for his ability to mobilize public support and get Congress to go along with what one historian called the administration's "pursuit of disastrous policies." In fact, roughly one in ten of those who called Bush a success was being facetious, rating him only as the best president since Bill Clinton -- a category in which Bush is the only contestant.

LINK

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'J')ack, this is a subject of which I have a great deal of knowledge. I have two sons-one with ADHD and one who taught himself to read before kindergarten & whose IQ test administered in the first grade with an IQ of 148. So, I worked for my kids, almost Always against every school district they were ever in.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'H')ow do they know your loyalty is true though? Generally I am wary of those who display severe callousness towards others, even if they've expressed nothing but friendship and generosity towards me. I think many are the same.

[skyemoor]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is no future!

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd who, my friend, is the common enemy this time? I have no doubt our respective governments are busily creating "enemies" to dehumanize and demonize in order to point the finger of blame away.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')There is no future! Eh, is time going to stop?

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I')t's an optimization problem, Narz; there is no easy, pat answer to your question. If they're too brutal, they would roast my liver for breakfast. Not brutal enough, and they'll give away the last MRE to some annoying child.