Dear Group,
I'm new but I hope to rock this forum hard. If any one has books writen by powerful people on the topic of oil or coal or even Natural Gas. Please enter below. I have two all ready.
I'd like to get more reading of people who know an industry.
"Twilight in the Desert" by Mattew Simmons (former Oil advisor to Bush) This booked blew me over. He has an interview on the web.
"Big Coal" by Jeff Goodell
(Great stories which give an understanding of the truth)
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Books I have found about Oil and coal
by Anadultmale » Wed 01 Aug 2007, 22:03:36
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Re: Books I have found about Oil and coal
by steam_cannon » Thu 02 Aug 2007, 10:17:43
Good idea and good book list Anadultmale! And welcome!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anadultmale', 'I')f any one has books writen by powerful people on the topic of oil or coal or even Natural Gas.
This is an interesting challenge... Like one book I have from the 1980's gets into Hubberts logistical growth curves, discovery, extraction and depletion... But the author* was by no means a powerful person. In general, there are powerful people who are peak oil aware and there are geologists who write about our oil situation. But generally the geologists tend not to be powerful people. Of course there are a few exceptions like Matthew Simmons...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anadultmale', 'I')f any one has books writen by powerful people on the topic of oil or coal or even Natural Gas.
But I can tell you two powerful peak oil aware individuals. President Bill Clinton has gotten into studying the subject after he came out of office. And Vice President Dick Cheney spoken about resource depletion and the nearly impossible challenge of increasing our oil supply to continue to meet demand, though he never uses the words peak oil, not his style. And of course President G. W. Bush knows Matthew Simmons, so I'm sure he's heard about it.
* Geography and energy - Commercial energy systems and national policies by J.D. Chapman
This book is already very old, but this is the book I was referring too.
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Re: Books I have found about Oil and coal
by steam_cannon » Thu 02 Aug 2007, 10:30:52
The books Bill Clinton reads
Saturday, November 04, 2006
http://carbonsink.blogspot.com/2006/11/ ... reads.html
On June 17th 2006 Bill Clinton addressed the Association of Alternative Newsweeklies. After the keynote speech there was a Q&A session. Clinton's answer to the last question was very revealing.
Question: Do you believe that the OPEC nations have exaggerated their oil reserves and if so, what are the implications?
Bill Clinton: Well first of all I’m not a petroleum geologist, but I can tell you this. If you read, there’s a book written by a man named Jeremy Leggett who is a petroleum geologist who was so alarmed by what was happening not only in climate change but oil depletion that he went to work for Greenpeace. That’s a pretty good leap. He’s written a book called The Empty Tank, if you want one book that is not as dark as a book called The Long Emergency which is much darker, but really deals with this and attempts to explain the complications of it, I recommend it to you.
Clinton continues: There’s a guy named Matthew Simmons who is a petroleum investment adviser, he’s made a fortune and has been a friend of the Bush family, who believes that we have passed peak oil production. And I don’t know if they're overstating their reserves but I know this, they have said, for example, the Saudis have said they could go up to 12 million barrels a day in production to try to moderate price, and it doesn’t appear to me that they have or can.
And keep in mind, most of the OPEC producers prefer oil higher than it was in my second term, but a little lower than this, because they know if it gets real high and stays there, even if we don’t impose gas taxes, America will get in gear and we won’t need as much anymore and the Europeans will do the same and others will do the same. And the Chinese and the Indians might figure out how to skip a step of economic development and not have to use as much energy going through from where they are now to where we are now, in the same… not get there the same way we did.
So I actually believe that most of these oil producers would like it if oil were just a little lower or at least didn’t go to $100 a barrel in five years and everybody I know who knows anything about this business believes it’ll be $100 a barrel in five years or less. Now, the only evidence that we have, those of us who aren’t petroleum geologists, so the question you asked sir, is for example, in the biggest Saudi oil field which has about eight or ten percent of the world’s oil, but has been heavily drilled, they are now getting the more difficult to drill oil out by injecting sea water and filling the… the cavities and then pushing it all back up.
Some of that retrievable oil is now 90 percent sea water, 10 percent oil, which dramatically increases the cost of disaggregating it and implies that there may be less oil there than we thought. We know that the depletion rate of the North Sea oil that the UK has, has accelerated more rapidly then anyone thought. Now the really important question is, what are the implications of this? Let’s say that the world reaches peak oil production, let’s say we haven’t done it yet, but we do sometime in this decade. That would mean that half of all the recoverable oil under planet earth has been sucked out. That’s what it means.
And the article goes on...
Saturday, November 04, 2006
http://carbonsink.blogspot.com/2006/11/ ... reads.html
On June 17th 2006 Bill Clinton addressed the Association of Alternative Newsweeklies. After the keynote speech there was a Q&A session. Clinton's answer to the last question was very revealing.
Question: Do you believe that the OPEC nations have exaggerated their oil reserves and if so, what are the implications?
Bill Clinton: Well first of all I’m not a petroleum geologist, but I can tell you this. If you read, there’s a book written by a man named Jeremy Leggett who is a petroleum geologist who was so alarmed by what was happening not only in climate change but oil depletion that he went to work for Greenpeace. That’s a pretty good leap. He’s written a book called The Empty Tank, if you want one book that is not as dark as a book called The Long Emergency which is much darker, but really deals with this and attempts to explain the complications of it, I recommend it to you.
Clinton continues: There’s a guy named Matthew Simmons who is a petroleum investment adviser, he’s made a fortune and has been a friend of the Bush family, who believes that we have passed peak oil production. And I don’t know if they're overstating their reserves but I know this, they have said, for example, the Saudis have said they could go up to 12 million barrels a day in production to try to moderate price, and it doesn’t appear to me that they have or can.
And keep in mind, most of the OPEC producers prefer oil higher than it was in my second term, but a little lower than this, because they know if it gets real high and stays there, even if we don’t impose gas taxes, America will get in gear and we won’t need as much anymore and the Europeans will do the same and others will do the same. And the Chinese and the Indians might figure out how to skip a step of economic development and not have to use as much energy going through from where they are now to where we are now, in the same… not get there the same way we did.
So I actually believe that most of these oil producers would like it if oil were just a little lower or at least didn’t go to $100 a barrel in five years and everybody I know who knows anything about this business believes it’ll be $100 a barrel in five years or less. Now, the only evidence that we have, those of us who aren’t petroleum geologists, so the question you asked sir, is for example, in the biggest Saudi oil field which has about eight or ten percent of the world’s oil, but has been heavily drilled, they are now getting the more difficult to drill oil out by injecting sea water and filling the… the cavities and then pushing it all back up.
Some of that retrievable oil is now 90 percent sea water, 10 percent oil, which dramatically increases the cost of disaggregating it and implies that there may be less oil there than we thought. We know that the depletion rate of the North Sea oil that the UK has, has accelerated more rapidly then anyone thought. Now the really important question is, what are the implications of this? Let’s say that the world reaches peak oil production, let’s say we haven’t done it yet, but we do sometime in this decade. That would mean that half of all the recoverable oil under planet earth has been sucked out. That’s what it means.
And the article goes on...
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Re: Books I have found about Oil and coal
by steam_cannon » Thu 02 Aug 2007, 10:38:01
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ormer US President Bill Clinton was reading about peak oil this summer, specifically, Richard Heinberg's
book The Party's Over: Oil, War and the Fate of Industrial Societies.
...I borrowed a book from him that he had just read—“The Party’s Over: Oil, War, and the Fate of Industrial Societies,” by Richard Heinberg, not exactly summer reading—and it was full of underlinings and what looked like the most serious undergraduate’s markings, with lots of exclamation points.
http://www.richardheinberg.com/node/170
book The Party's Over: Oil, War and the Fate of Industrial Societies.
...I borrowed a book from him that he had just read—“The Party’s Over: Oil, War, and the Fate of Industrial Societies,” by Richard Heinberg, not exactly summer reading—and it was full of underlinings and what looked like the most serious undergraduate’s markings, with lots of exclamation points.
http://www.richardheinberg.com/node/170
Another thing, Clinton has mentioned before that while in office he didn't receive any briefings on peak oil or even know anything about it. And he always seemed like such a happy go lucky kind of guy, I actually feel this is believable...
On the other hand Doom and Gloom Dick Cheney had spoken about resource depletion before coming into office...
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Re: Books I have found about Oil and coal
by steam_cannon » Thu 02 Aug 2007, 10:48:18
Dick Cheney - London Institute of Petroleum 1999
"By 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from?... Oil is unique in that it is so strategic in nature. We are not talking about soapflakes or leisurewear here. Energy is truly fundamental to the world�s economy."
Dick Cheney: “From the standpoint of the oil industry obviously - and I'll talk a little later on about gas - for over a hundred years we as an industry have had to deal with the pesky problem that once you find oil and pump it out of the ground you've got to turn around and find more or go out of business. Producing oil is obviously a self-depleting activity. Every year you've got to find and develop reserves equal to your output just to stand still, just to stay even. This is as true for companies as well in the broader economic sense it is for the world. A new merged company like Exxon-Mobil will have to secure over a billion and a half barrels of new oil equivalent reserves every year just to replace existing production. It's like making one hundred per cent interest; discovering another major field of some five hundred million barrels equivalent every four months or finding two Hibernias a year. For the world as a whole, oil companies are expected to keep finding and developing enough oil to offset our seventy one million plus barrel a day of oil depletion, but also to meet new demand. By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greeter access there, progress continues to be slow.”
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Full text of Dick Cheney's speech at the Institute of Petroleum Autumn lunch, 1999
by Dick Cheney
http://www.energybulletin.net/559.html
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However, presently Dick Cheney is more secretive about his thoughts on oil then Bill Clinton. Apparently this isn't the kind of stuff Cheney runs up on a flagpole for everybody to see. He said it once and he's not saying it again!
"By 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from?... Oil is unique in that it is so strategic in nature. We are not talking about soapflakes or leisurewear here. Energy is truly fundamental to the world�s economy."
Dick Cheney: “From the standpoint of the oil industry obviously - and I'll talk a little later on about gas - for over a hundred years we as an industry have had to deal with the pesky problem that once you find oil and pump it out of the ground you've got to turn around and find more or go out of business. Producing oil is obviously a self-depleting activity. Every year you've got to find and develop reserves equal to your output just to stand still, just to stay even. This is as true for companies as well in the broader economic sense it is for the world. A new merged company like Exxon-Mobil will have to secure over a billion and a half barrels of new oil equivalent reserves every year just to replace existing production. It's like making one hundred per cent interest; discovering another major field of some five hundred million barrels equivalent every four months or finding two Hibernias a year. For the world as a whole, oil companies are expected to keep finding and developing enough oil to offset our seventy one million plus barrel a day of oil depletion, but also to meet new demand. By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greeter access there, progress continues to be slow.”
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Full text of Dick Cheney's speech at the Institute of Petroleum Autumn lunch, 1999
by Dick Cheney
http://www.energybulletin.net/559.html
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However, presently Dick Cheney is more secretive about his thoughts on oil then Bill Clinton. Apparently this isn't the kind of stuff Cheney runs up on a flagpole for everybody to see. He said it once and he's not saying it again!
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Re: Books I have found about Oil and coal
by TheTurtle » Thu 02 Aug 2007, 11:12:35
Welcome to PeakOil.com.
I suggest you search the Book/Media Reviews forum. There are many book recommendations therein.
I suggest you search the Book/Media Reviews forum. There are many book recommendations therein.
“Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry)
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Books on Oil, Coal and/or Natural Gas
by Anadultmale » Fri 03 Aug 2007, 19:24:18
Sorry didn't know a Book/Media Review was in the forum. If any one has names of books on the Topics> Oil, Coal, and/or NG. Please feel free to add to this below. I've ready two already
"Twilight in the Desert" by Mattew Simmons (former Oil advisor to Bush) This booked blew me over. He has an interview on the web.
"Big Coal" by Jeff Goodell
Would really like a book on "Aurstalia's Hunters Valley, NSW coal and Europe's coal industry. Also books on LMG as well as Gas production in the USA and or World. Thanks if you can help.
"Twilight in the Desert" by Mattew Simmons (former Oil advisor to Bush) This booked blew me over. He has an interview on the web.
"Big Coal" by Jeff Goodell
Would really like a book on "Aurstalia's Hunters Valley, NSW coal and Europe's coal industry. Also books on LMG as well as Gas production in the USA and or World. Thanks if you can help.
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Re: Books on Oil, Coal and/or Natural Gas
by OilIsMastery » Fri 03 Aug 2007, 20:33:50
The Deep Hot Biosphere by Thomas Gold.
http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Hot-Biospher ... 0387952535
The Prize by Daniel Yergin
http://www.amazon.com/Prize-Epic-Quest- ... 531&sr=1-1
Beyond Oil by Kenneth Deffeyes
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Oil-View-H ... 0809029561
http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Hot-Biospher ... 0387952535
The Prize by Daniel Yergin
http://www.amazon.com/Prize-Epic-Quest- ... 531&sr=1-1
Beyond Oil by Kenneth Deffeyes
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Oil-View-H ... 0809029561
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Re: Books on Oil, Coal and/or Natural Gas
by savethehumans » Fri 03 Aug 2007, 21:31:12
High Noon for Natural Gas, by Julian Darley. There's your natgas/LNG reference, Anadultmale!
The Party's Over
Powerdown
(both by Richard Heinberg; P.O. focused)
Resource Wars
Blood and Oil
(both by Michael Klare; Iraq's only the beginning)
The Party's Over
Powerdown
(both by Richard Heinberg; P.O. focused)
Resource Wars
Blood and Oil
(both by Michael Klare; Iraq's only the beginning)
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Re: Books on Oil, Coal and/or Natural Gas
by billp » Sat 04 Aug 2007, 20:02:31
Coal: A Human History by Barbara Freese is an interesting read. For a lawyer author.
I got my copy loaned at the abq public library.
I got my copy loaned at the abq public library.
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Re: Books on Oil, Coal and/or Natural Gas
by billp » Sat 04 Aug 2007, 20:12:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso books on LMG as well as Gas production in the USA and or World.
I missed this.
Dave Hughes' plots attracted my attention after my attention was first raised by Chris Vernon's plots.
Looks like we have some problems.
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