[dukey]

Very few people in USA wanted to enter into world war 2, understandably. But the power hungry freaks at the top wanted to join in, but without an 'event' the american people would never have rallied and wanted to join. So they made sure an event happened. They did everything they could to provoke japan into attacking USA. They cut off japans oil supply, they traded with japans enemies, and predictably, after being starved of oil Japan attacked. But they knew well in advanced that they were going to attack, but did nothing. They let the american people die there to trump support for the war. And it worked flawlessly. America joined, and once again the people were used like pawns in a rich mans game.

To those that say... ohh no one knew it was a total surprise. If this is true, why was it in the bloody news paper lol ...

[Alcassin]

Well everybody knew that, you had those planes on radars and did nothing to prevent the strike. Roosevelt wasn't that bad - without US joining the war Red Army would stop at Gibraltar. What would you say then?

[OilIsMastery]

Reminds me of Putin and Patrushev who import Arab terrorists to Chechnya via Moscow and then use that as an excuse to slaughter 40% of the civilian population and murder the Chechen leadership.

[fluffy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'W')ell everybody knew that, you had those planes on radars and did nothing to prevent the strike. Roosevelt wasn't that bad - without US joining the war Red Army would stop at Gibraltar. What would you say then?

[paimei01]

Fluffy it's not about what would have happened if the USA didn't entered the war, it's about what happened at Pearl Harbor - government conspiracy , it shows that they can do such things

Also Kennedy's assassination + his brother +his son were inside jobs.

[Cloud9]

At the time, the old guard in the navy believed that the power of the United States rested in battle ship row. They did not understand the uses of air power and believed the ships were safe at anchorage in Pearl. Even though aerial bombardment of ships had been amply demonstrated after WW I, these admirals could not fathom something as flimsy and light as an airplane being able to sink a battle ship. The young turks who grasped the concept of air power pushed the construction of aircraft carriers. These guys, to their credit, were successful in making sure the aircraft carriers were noticeably absent when the attack came.

I have known a number of sailors who fought in the Pacific. From there point of view it was no easy fight. I had three uncles who fought the island hopping campaigns. From their perspective, we damn near lost the war in the first year after Pearl.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Someone can always sell a book with a conspiracy theory. It’s a bit like seeing a couple of Arab fellows taking flight training in Florida and realizing they are going to fly jumbo jets into skyscrapers. Even if you made the connection no one would believe you.

[jasonraymondson]

World War II was the last good war.

I miss the old days

[NEOPO]

Good image Dukey.

I believe it was all a mass manipulation.

Hitler and Saddam Hussein have alot in common as all puppets do.

All I wonder is if Hitler knew his role and was not a true puppet...

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'F')luffy it's not about what would have happened if the USA didn't entered the war, it's about what happened at Pearl Harbor - government conspiracy , it shows that they can do such things

[PenultimateManStanding]

It's hard to be true and honest, AP. From what I can tell of history, the Japanese had good reason to be angry. Then they took that good reason and used it to rape and murder. Then we had good reason to nuke them.

[dukey]

Airplane pilot is just denying reality. He probably would deny the sun rose this morning if Bush told him so.

Theres documented evidence that the government wanted to provoke war with Japan. They wanted Japan to attack, so it wouldn't look like they were the agressor.



rest of the pages of the document are here.

The main points of the document were ..

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '9'). It is not believed that in the present state of political opinion the United States government is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado; and it is barely possible that vigorous action on our part might lead the Japanese to modify their attitude. Therefore, the following course of action is suggested:

[AirlinePilot]

I'm a student of history. I've taken many college level courses in modern history. There are a few fringe opinions that we "looked the other way" at Pearl Harbor, but they are thin arguments and loosely supported at best. The majority of the evidence does not support it.

Unless dukey is some sort of "expert" on World War II and it's causes, I think I'll listen to the experts.

Or are you claiming that these folks are all being hoodwinked also? Either that or I guess they are all "in on it too". You guys are nothing short of amazing sometimes.

dukey,

You cant approach stuff like this with 9/11 methods, it doesn't work there, and it most definitely doesn't work here. You keep trying though and attempt argument without support. I doubt you'll get very far.

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nless dukey is some sort of "expert" on World War II and it's causes, I think I'll listen to the experts.

[paimei01]

It does not matter if you are student of history. The books are written the way those in power want. I was at school in 1989 ,before 89 we in Romania learned about our great president Ceausescu, of course nothing about the fact that we or Russia were a dictature. After 1989 the books changed and talked about the "regime"

[128shot]

you can get many interpretations of history via the internet, books, and sometimes even TV steps into the realms of real skepticism.

This grand conspiracy nonsense is about as old as time itself. Just replace saying god did it with illumanti and you have the same fundamental stuff.

I guess its just impossible for some people to understand that even though there are records of advisers writing letters to the president about pearl harbor being a future location of attack by the Japanese doesn't mean it proves a conspiracy. It just so happens that person was right on the money. I guess government can't just plan old be wrong. It has to be "wrong" for a reason.

[jboogy]

I think your ALL right to some degree on this one.An incident had to happen to persuade the U.S. populace to back participation in WW2.This was discussed at the highest levels and there is ample documentation to support this.U.S. effectively shut off oil imports to Japan.This is plain fact.Roosevelt admin. expected japan to retaliate for this and thus an excuse for america to enter war.The above statements are considered reasonable and likely by a majority of historians.As far as prior government knowledge of the attack on Pearl,here you are entering extremely suspect and subjective territory,An attack on Pearl was never considered even possible by almost all senior military experts at the time,there was one standout who warned of this(I forget his name)but he was roundly dismissed.Japan got very lucky in not being detected till after attack was launched. Lucky!Many of you also seem to be ascribing the worst character traits of the Bush admin. to the Roosevelt admin.,this is a mistake.The people in charge during the Roosevelt admin. bear no resemblance to the criminals currently in charge.Roosevelt reluctantly entered a war on the side of the righteous after watching tyranny devastate the planet for two years.Bush has instigated the horrors of war on the flimsiest of excuses.To properly ascribe blame OR justification you must first examine motive or lack thereof.

[holmes]

only brain dead retards would want to live in a world run by the Japs, nazis and russian scum commies.
yes these are the so called compassionate. Yes mass gang raping, torture and holocaust. O yes wait the holocaust was a lie.
The japs and russians would have cut all these conspiracy nuts throats immediatly. Only spoiled bitches complain while living in eden.

[holmes]

Roosevelt was the worst thing to happen to this country! Ushered in the nanny corporate state owned shitstem. He told mother nature to fuck off.
WW2 was the only war that the USA needed to not be nuetral in. after it we should have went back to nuetrality.

[OilIsMastery]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'o')nly brain dead retards would want to live in a world run by the Japs, nazis and russian scum commies.
yes these are the so called compassionate. Yes mass gang raping, torture and holocaust. O yes wait the holocaust was a lie.
The japs and russians would have cut all these conspiracy nuts throats immediatly. Only spoiled bitches complain while living in eden.