[Tyler_JC]

By a "handful", I meant for a single house being built by illegals.

Multiply that by 10 million illegals and a handful turns into an entire class of people.

[firestarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'B')y a "handful", I meant for a single house being built by illegals.

Multiply that by 10 million illegals and a handful turns into an entire class of people.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'O')f course they count.

But from a purely selfish point of view, the average white collar worker gains (lower cost labor/products) while the average blue collar worker loses wages and benefits.

4. A handful of unionized Americans are harmed. They don't have a job...

Immigration is only one of the spearheads of globalization. But all of them are stabbing into American unionized workers.

[Tyler_JC]

But the money that the contractor/home-owner saves doesn't vanish.

It goes right back into the economy in the form of higher consumption elsewhere.

Eventually, in theory, the added economic activity would provide a job for the previously unemployed blue collar worker.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

I'm all for sealing the border and building a wall to keep out the drug runners, criminals, etc.

[Denny]

I don't find it surprising that the leaders of Mexico, U.S.A. and Canada are meeting together today in Montebello, Quebec, but they are joined by 20 major business leaders, in a search of "prosperity and security".

I used to think that the protestors of these economic summits were whack jobs to put on such antics. But, now I see they have a point. Why no labor leaders? No academics?

It all looks too clubby and, being behind closed doors, comes across as undemocratic. I start to wonder if its not all about prosperity for the likes of Halliburton and Lockheed-Martin giving their version of "security" to the rest of us.

[cipi604]

Good point

[americandream]

Lol...ain't it awesome to see de-mock-cracy in action.

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'N')ow what will you do with it?

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', ' ') I'll make you a deal, Coyote. If we're still in touch in about 1 year, I'll show you exactly what my contribution will be.

[Iaato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'I') don't find it surprising that the leaders of Mexico, U.S.A. and Canada are meeting together today in Montebello, Quebec, but they are joined by 20 major business leaders, in a search of "prosperity and security".

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ro-border security advocates are warning that the new North Carolina driver's license is a dangerous first step toward a "North American Union" driving permit.

The Tar Heel State recently introduced a license that includes a hologram on its reverse side. The problem: Critics object that the hologram portrays the entire North American continent, not just the United States. Moreover, they say it looks just like the map of North American used as the logo on the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America Web site (http://www.spp.gov).

New Licenses Incite Fears of North American Union

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') bet it will be an even bigger better democracy.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') bet it will be an even bigger better democracy.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '
')There's more. This morning, under the cover of darkness, the first Mexican truck to roll on the US interstate highway system crossed the border from Mexico. Where was it heading? North Carolina. Imagine that? What a coincidence.

[emersonbiggins]

Further move toward the NAU? Texas and Mexico are preparing to interconnect their power grids. Texas' grid, which is independent of the greater U.S., is about to take advantage of excess power generation in northern Mexico, but perhaps more presciently, is about to inextricably link critical infrastructure between two countries, for better or worse.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')exas, Mexico link electric grids

Texas plugs its grid into Mexico's so generation companies can buy and sell electricity

11:17 PM CDT on Tuesday, September 18, 2007

By ELIZABETH SOUDER / The Dallas Morning News
esouder@dallasnews.com

Texas and Mexico are tying their electricity grids together to allow commercial power trade, but it's not obvious which way the juice might flow.

As a brand-new interconnection fires up next month, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas is testing whether the grid it operates north of the Rio Grande can handle commercial transactions with Mexico. Three small interconnections between the grids are now used strictly for emergencies.Northern Mexico generates more electricity than the region needs, and experts say it can do so at a lower cost than the U.S.

That's an argument for Texas importing Mexican power. But the electricity could eventually flow the other direction, as Mexico's demand for power soars.

Supplying demand on either side of the Rio Grande could present a business opportunity for power generation companies. But there are a couple of niggling issues that could disrupt the whole idea: environmental worries and federal jurisdiction.
...
Dallas Morning News article

[cantom]

Save your worrying for the real crap coming down the pike...the NAU and the Amero are a bunch of tinfoil hat bs...believe me, you wouldn't get Canadian one into a deal like that. At best it was just an attempt to keep commerce flowing freely in the post 9-11 security environment.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'T')hanks H. Today Buchanan posted an article asking why the Main Stream Media is not reporting the formation of the North American Union...

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=610

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cantom', '.').. believe me, you wouldn't get Canadian one into a deal like that.

[Blacksmith]

OK y'alls can join us, but we use the Canadian Legal System.

That will make y'alls think again.

[Ferretlover]

Bush and Calderon to Visit Canada- Canadians Completely Unaware of Looming North American Union
In just over a month’s time, on August 20, the most powerful president in the world will be arriving in Montebello, Quebec for a two-day conference. President George W. Bush will be meeting with Stephen Harper and their Mexican counterpart, Felipe Calderon. So far, the silence from the Canadian and American media has been deafening. …
The purpose of the upcoming conference is to ratify the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, which was initiated by Bush, Martin and Fox in 2005 in Waco, Texas. Essentially, this so-called ‘partnership’ will result in what the politicians refer to as ‘continental integration’-newspeak for a North American Union- and basically a harmonization of 100’s of regulations, policies and laws.
In layman’s terms, it means that once this ‘partnership’ has been ratified which is a fait accompli; we will be following in the footsteps of the European Union. It will mean that Canada will become part of the North American Union by 2010, and that our resources, agricultural, health and environment issues, to name a few, will be controlled not by Canada, but by the government of the North American Union. …

Sounds real to me....