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The Universe Train

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 19:52:21

As Armageddon approaches, and we're plagued with fear and dread of what may become of us, it helps to put things in perspective.

All our concerns amount to nothing, really, when you look at the big picture. We're an infinitely-insignificant part of an infinitely-huge whole:
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From the 2006 "Astronomy" wall calendar, published by Firefly Books:


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The universe is so vast that it's difficult to establish a scale of reference, but this freight-train analogy might help put it into perspective:

Imagine each star in the known universe is represented by a grain of sand. A thimble would hold all the stars visible on a clear, dark summer night. A dump truck would contain the Milky Way, the galaxy in which the Sun resides.

To demonstrate all the stars in the known universe, we need a freight train with hopper cars filled with sand. The train begins to cross us at a level crossing. We count the cars as they roar by at one per second. The minutes pass, then hours, then days. We would have to keep count 24 hours a day for three years before the universe train would complete its pass.

The universe train would use all the sand on all the beaches on Earth and would be long enough to stretch around the planet 25 times.


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Whatever happens to us, happens to us. Five billion years from now, who will know the difference?
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby Jack » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 19:58:56

That does, indeed, put things into perspective.

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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 21:42:06

Brings this one to mind, very appropriate for these forums too!

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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 22:13:18

True, but it's still no fun to die in panic and horror. To watch one's children suffer and die of starvation. Quite a bummer and I don't give a rat's ass about the stars.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 23:22:53

I don't think you believe that (about the stars) for a second PMS.

The stars put everything about us into proper perspective, and that analogy puts all of the stars nicely into perspective.

edit: phrase within parenthesis added.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 00:03:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I') don't think you believe that (about the stars) for a second PMS.
really? I said it but you don't believe me? Sure it's wonderful to look up at the stars at night, specially now that we know how far away they are. But given how far away they are, why should we even give a crap about them? They sure don't care about us.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 00:31:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', 'a')ll those stars are worth less than one human being.

To say that humans are more important than the universe, the stars, the earth is the existential crisis of modern man. Alone in a hostile world of his own mind. This mental separation from life, even our own bodies is what allows us to drive the planet to ecological collapse. That is why I contend we live in a dark age, and any future civilization will record it as such.

The truth is, humans don't live in a vacuum. They require an atmosphere with a certain amount of oxygen, within a certain temperature range. The atmosphere must contain water that is discharged in to rivers, that feed plants, that photosynthesize...and so on and so forth. All of these processes must be working properly for one human being to stay alive. These processes are dependent on and driven by one very important star we call the sun. That star, the sun is dependent on every other star.

As you can see, your life is dependent on the stars. You are a microcosm of the universe. Your life follows the same birth/death cycle of the stars. To say humans are more important than the stars is a great misconception. It is like a fish saying that it is more important than the ocean.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 00:45:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', '.')..all those stars are worth less than one human being...

...is like a fish saying that it is more important than the ocean.

Thank you, SS. You saved me a lot of work, and I could never have put it so eloquently.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby jboogy » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 00:46:04

starz,shmarz-I feel ya' on this one PMS,I took astronomy in 11th grade just cause I thought it would be an easy grade.Turns out I flunked it cause it was the period after lunch and me and my friends would leave school to burn em' and eat Micky D's drivethru for lunch. I more often than not would nod off halfway thru class.Borrrinnggg
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 01:02:40

What I mean PMS is that everything we are was created by stars. Stars created us. We should look at them in awe and wonder.

Much as we look at fish. Or a single grain of sand.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 01:04:29

darn double posting...
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby Jack » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 01:23:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', 'A')nd one humnan being is of more worth to God than all those stars.


That's an interesting premise. Neither the premise, nor its converse is provable.

Perhaps human-kind was created as comic relief - a divine comedy, if you will. Or maybe humanity is an example of what not to do.

Because if we suppose God values human life, there are a lot of disasters - man made and otherwise - that suggest he doesn't stay up late nights worrying about it.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby jboogy » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 01:29:07

I don't think I've ever looked at sand with awe or wonder,me and my cousins were spearfishing in the gulf off duck key once and this friggin humongous grouper came barreling out of a hole right at me, I don't know if it was the magnifying effects of my mask or what but this thing looked huge(I'd guess 120 lbs. at LEAST)anyway ,it looked at me and just as quick turned on a dime and disappeared back into the hole,needless to say it happened so fast we didn't get a shaft in em'. I hafta say I was in awe of that fishes size and speed.some years after that my aunt told my mom that my cousins had taken a 130 lb. fish in the same area and it had taken like 4 shafts and a couple hours for them to get him out of the coral.I wonder if it was the one we saw years before.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 01:58:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'P')erhaps human-kind was created as comic relief - a divine comedy, if you will.

I think you're on to something there Jack. The universe playing a practical joke on itself? Humans have a sense of humor (well some do). It's part of human nature, it's part of nature. The universe has a sense of humor.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 02:09:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'P')erhaps human-kind was created as comic relief - a divine comedy, if you will.

Comedy, yes. Divine? How about "demonic"?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')r maybe humanity is an example of what not to do.

Now you're talking.
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Re: The Universe Train

Unread postby jboogy » Fri 27 Jul 2007, 02:30:32

For GOD so loved man that he gave his only son up to the cross so that we shall have everlasting life, god loves us THAT much?Try telling that to the iraqi's or the sudanese or the ashpiles of hiroshima and nagasaki,or the cambodians/fertilizer in the killing fields,the hutus and tutsi's of rowanda,the european jews in41',42',43',44'-1/3 of europe during the plague,american indians with their nice new diseased blankets,our boys on the bataan death march,thousands upon thousands of young men choking on lung fluid and mustard gas in the bottom of some slop filled trench on the western front,the chinese during the rape of nanking,millions of russians that stalin didn't take a likin' to , the spanish inquisition,the burned and drowned "witches" of massachusetts,the dark ages,medeival times,etc.,etc.,etc. GOD?he either hates us or has the most wicked ,twisted sense of humor ever.
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