Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Bunkers and the bunker mentality re: issue of peak oil

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby Roccland » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 13:14:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'N')ice. I've thought about something like that but I question the life expectancy of the pipe in my ultra wet climate. It looks like you're in desert territory so no worries there. Any pictures of the inside?


I have some around..I will post if I find. Yes I am in the desert - this is located on an off grid parcel...the neighbors are gun carrying, horseback riding, garden growing, animal slaughtering...stay the F' out of my backyard folk...so we will get along just fine.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are other reasons than a nuke attack to have one of these especially in a desert climate you will keep cool in one of these if the power goes out.


Yes Uncovering Truths - it is really a root cellar, but bunker sounds more doomerish;)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') hope you have also stocked up on firearms ( presumably yes as you lucky americans can buy the things! ) as well ?


Pea Sea - getting 223 ammo is getting harder and harder, but in the words of Matt Savinar..."I am heavily armed"...eh matty?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') would build this only after I learned to farm, garden, raise livestock, mend fences, weld, repair machinery, hunt, fish, and make nice to my neighbors.


Well Pstarr - you ask all the good questions...as usual...truth is...this is my first die off so it is OJT. If we see each other on the other side we can compare notes on how to get through the next die off...eh?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s that soil pure clay??? Soil around here is nothing like that. WOuld be a nice severe weather bunker too.


Hey Frank - the soil is great for gardening...nice mix of clay and loam with some river rock. Smells great and clumps when you squeeze it.
500 MPH into a brick wall - me
User avatar
Roccland
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1604
Joined: Sat 16 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby frankthetank » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 14:41:05

Better then mine. I've got this sand crap that is heavy is hell. Plants don't seem to mind, but it seems to dry out real fast.
lawns should be outlawed.
User avatar
frankthetank
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 6202
Joined: Thu 16 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Southwest WI

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby highlander » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 14:57:56

Hope the roving zombie hordes aren't carrying a portable welder.
Hey Look, lets make this tube a coffin!
This is where everybody puts profound words written by another...or not so profound words written by themselves
Highlander 2007
User avatar
highlander
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 752
Joined: Sun 03 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Washington State

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:16:59

Dude, nice job!

It's too bad you had to behave like a feral animal over at LATOC. I'm going to post a link to this thread over there.
User avatar
MattSavinar
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 1918
Joined: Sun 09 May 2004, 03:00:00

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby Roccland » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:26:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'D')ude, nice job!

It's too bad you had to behave like a feral animal over at LATOC. I'm going to post a link to this thread over there.


Dude thanks...now for a monthly fee of $1,000 I will begin posting there again.

You can send payments to my account at the Bank of International Settlements...when you call just tell Rocky I sent U.
500 MPH into a brick wall - me
User avatar
Roccland
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1604
Joined: Sat 16 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 15:54:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'Y')es Uncovering Truths - it is really a root cellar, but bunker sounds more doomerish;)
I like the name "root cellar", since it is being used for storage. But what ever you call it, it's one heck of an insurance policy!

Image
You could even pile a couple old tires or some sand over the entrance and I bet no one would even know it's there...
User avatar
steam_cannon
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2859
Joined: Thu 28 Dec 2006, 04:00:00
Location: MA
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby Roccland » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 16:39:22

I got a "MASH" tent off ebay for around $1200 and it is now over the top of it.

The neighbors know it is there and I suspect they know what it is for.

At some point you have to show your hand slightly...

I am looking at a third and forth location to do a similar get up only on a smaller scale in case the zombies overrun this location.

I have picked out sniper posts and access to this location is very limited that a few junked cars cannot block.

The community is a "lock and load" type...and this location is shielded from nuc fallout patterns and blasts as well as the water table is very shallow.

Then again I may get smeared by a drunk on my way home tonight.
500 MPH into a brick wall - me
User avatar
Roccland
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1604
Joined: Sat 16 Jun 2007, 03:00:00

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 18:00:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'I') got a "MASH" tent off ebay for around $1200 and it is now over the top of it.

The neighbors know it is there and I suspect they know what it is for.

At some point you have to show your hand slightly...

I am looking at a third and forth location to do a similar get up only on a smaller scale in case the zombies overrun this location.

I have picked out sniper posts and access to this location is very limited that a few junked cars cannot block.

The community is a "lock and load" type...and this location is shielded from nuc fallout patterns and blasts as well as the water table is very shallow.

Then again I may get smeared by a drunk on my way home tonight.


I really like the way you think. This is EXACTLY what I want to do. Multiple bug out locations, all undeground with hidden caches of supplies.

It's a damn shame you had to act like a feral beast over at the LATOC forum.
User avatar
MattSavinar
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 1918
Joined: Sun 09 May 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby JPL » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 18:04:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'O')k...so the bunker I chose is 25' long x 8' diameter with a 3' manhole entrance at one end and a 6" vent at the other. I have posted some pics below I took during installation. It has a small concrete pad on top now. It is entirely pest proof.

It holds quite a bit.

If you go this way PRELOAD THE CULVERT with 4x8 plywood before they seal it...to make shelves with by straddling the tube inside with 2x6s (turned lengthwise) and 1/2" ply wood on top.

The shelf will be in compression with the insides of the tube as you load weight onto it. This saves space at the bottom to sleep or store more goods.

It keeps a constant temp around 78 degrees year round. So food will stay for a while.

It was aboud $5000 to fabricate and deliver and $3000 to dig the hole and put a concrete pad above it.

I spent $200 to have someone make a lock apparatus - it is two anchors at either side of the manhole cover sunk into the concrete with a 4 foot steel strap that straddles the cover and locks to the anchors.

Someone would need a torch to get in. It took 30 days from order to ground to complete. Pacific Corrugated Pipe is who I used, but there are others I am sure. Pacific Corrugated Pipe

Picture 1

Picture 2


Hi Roccland

Yea, interesting idea you've got there. I've been thinking about digging a fallout shelter myself when I get some time (pleugh...).

I'm not sure about your construction materials though, that crinkled tin-plate is going to implode pretty quick if you get anything near a direct hit. They used the same material in London, England for WW2 bomb-shelters and they turned out to be death-traps. The main problem was not the bomb-resistance, but getting out of them afterwards, after the tin-plate was all bent and buckled and has several tons of soil on top.

Having said which, I would go with the shelter as-is, and then put heavy beams of wood across the top to solve the potential collapsing problem if you get a near hit. Then pile garbage on it and then drag an old car as a finishing touch. Sorted!

JP
JPL
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1264
Joined: Sat 18 Mar 2006, 04:00:00
Location: Off with the Fey Folk
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 18:07:40

http://www.peakoilstore.com/forum/index ... 3.msg64241

posted a link to this over at my forum.

You may be an unstable jerkoff who spends half his time here flaming me but this is great post and I'm not one to discriminate against good info simply because the poster has the social skills of a mudhen.
User avatar
MattSavinar
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 1918
Joined: Sun 09 May 2004, 03:00:00

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby bobaloo » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 19:01:17

Uh, Matt? That last post wasn't exactly an ad for social poise and grace itself...
User avatar
bobaloo
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 468
Joined: Thu 14 Oct 2004, 03:00:00

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby Roccland » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 19:08:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'h')ttp://www.peakoilstore.com/forum/index.php?topic=5623.msg64241

posted a link to this over at my forum.

You may be an unstable jerkoff who spends half his time here flaming me but this is great post and I'm not one to discriminate against good info simply because the poster has the social skills of a mudhen.


I flame those deserving of flame...and you Matty are deserving of my flame.

BTW - does this mean I am not banned any more from LATOC?

I'd like to get that first invoice out to ya quick like...you will have to pay upfront...nothing personnel bro...ya understand...eh?

Just PM me your mailing address and I'll get it off in the mail.

Cheers
500 MPH into a brick wall - me
User avatar
Roccland
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1604
Joined: Sat 16 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 19:27:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'I') really like the way you think. This is EXACTLY what I want to do. Multiple bug out locations, all undeground with hidden caches of supplies.

It's a damn shame you had to act like a feral beast over at the LATOC forum.
Maybe you two would get along better in real life or at least in real life someone would get their block knocked off and we could all go back to enjoying the bbq... Loser gets a steak for their eye. :wink:

Image
Or perhaps howitzers at dawn?
Last edited by steam_cannon on Thu 26 Jul 2007, 19:40:09, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
steam_cannon
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2859
Joined: Thu 28 Dec 2006, 04:00:00
Location: MA
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby Roccland » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 19:38:58

I like Matt...in fact this weekend I am holding a combo bake sale/car wash for the...

MATT "NO ONE TOLD ME WHEN TO RUN" SAVINAR - charity fund drive

at my local strip club.

Funny you mention howitzers...was my MOS while in the Marines...coulda trained a monkey to do what I did...hey wait a minute THEY DID!!!!!
500 MPH into a brick wall - me
User avatar
Roccland
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1604
Joined: Sat 16 Jun 2007, 03:00:00

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 19:48:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rockland', 'F')unny you mention howitzers...was my MOS while in the Marines...coulda trained a monkey to do what I did...hey wait a minute THEY DID!!!!!
Cool! But one thing. If there's a little war between you guys, be sure to watch out for Bunker Busters!

Image

Hahaha, I couldn't resist :lol:
User avatar
steam_cannon
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2859
Joined: Thu 28 Dec 2006, 04:00:00
Location: MA
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby katkinkate » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 19:56:59

Looks like a great root cellar and tornado shelter, but as a bug-out shelter I think it looks like a trap or a jail cell. If the ones you're hiding from know about it you're stuck. All the best hidy holes have 2 entrance/exits; preferably at least one of which is difficult to find/access.

If you are forced to stay down there for any length of time the water vapour from your breath and sweat will condense on the cooler walls and pool in the bottom and the high humidity will breed mould and rust metal. Hope you're not asthmatic.
Kind regards, Katkinkate

"The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops,
but the cultivation and perfection of human beings."
Masanobu Fukuoka
User avatar
katkinkate
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1276
Joined: Sat 16 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Brisbane, Australia

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 20:05:39

--
Last edited by Hawkcreek on Sun 19 Aug 2007, 21:36:44, edited 1 time in total.
Hawkcreek
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 1468
Joined: Sun 15 Aug 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Washington State

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby Roccland » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 20:58:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'L')ooks like a great root cellar and tornado shelter, but as a bug-out shelter I think it looks like a trap or a jail cell. If the ones you're hiding from know about it you're stuck. All the best hidy holes have 2 entrance/exits; preferably at least one of which is difficult to find/access.

If you are forced to stay down there for any length of time the water vapour from your breath and sweat will condense on the cooler walls and pool in the bottom and the high humidity will breed mould and rust metal. Hope you're not asthmatic.


Dang bro...you do have this die off thing figgr'd out...

tell ya what...post some pictures of your bunker/bug out box/root cella' and we will compare notes...

No pics=jaw jack'n

Also some pics of your garden would be nice too...

Cheers keyboard pounder.
500 MPH into a brick wall - me
User avatar
Roccland
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1604
Joined: Sat 16 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 22:10:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'A')ll the best hidy holes have 2 entrance/exits; preferably at least one of which is difficult to find/access.
Note to self: If I build a bunker forget to tell katkinkate where the secret entrance is... :lol:

What I learned from Mario Brothers...
Image
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/comedy- ... php?page=1
User avatar
steam_cannon
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2859
Joined: Thu 28 Dec 2006, 04:00:00
Location: MA
Top

Re: A simple bunker idea..."the tube"

Unread postby katkinkate » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 23:42:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('katkinkate', 'L')ooks like a great root cellar and tornado shelter, but as a bug-out shelter I think it looks like a trap or a jail cell. If the ones you're hiding from know about it you're stuck. All the best hidy holes have 2 entrance/exits; preferably at least one of which is difficult to find/access.

If you are forced to stay down there for any length of time the water vapour from your breath and sweat will condense on the cooler walls and pool in the bottom and the high humidity will breed mould and rust metal. Hope you're not asthmatic.


Dang bro...you do have this die off thing figgr'd out...

tell ya what...post some pictures of your bunker/bug out box/root cella' and we will compare notes...

No pics=jaw jack'n

Also some pics of your garden would be nice too...

Cheers keyboard pounder.


:) Don't have one. But here in Australia, I don't think the people will get as dangerous as you Americans are. We are more easy-going and it takes a lot to get us riled up to rioting level anger. I don't forsee things getting that bad here. America is ground zero for the economic crash coming. Australia's in better shape.
Kind regards, Katkinkate

"The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops,
but the cultivation and perfection of human beings."
Masanobu Fukuoka
User avatar
katkinkate
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1276
Joined: Sat 16 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Top

PreviousNext

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron