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A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby Roccland » Wed 25 Jul 2007, 10:30:52

The Amazon is Dieing

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tanding on an island in a quiet channel of the giant river, he points out what is happening. A month ago, the island was under water. Now, it juts 5m above it.

It is a sign that severe drought is returning to the Amazon for a second successive year. And that would be ominous. New research suggests that one further dry year beyond that could tip the whole vast forest into a cycle of destruction.

The day before, top scientists delivered much the same message at a remarkable floating symposium on the Rio Negro, on the strange black waters beside which Manaus, the capital city of the Amazon, stands.

They told the meeting - convened on a flotilla of boats by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of the Greek Orthodox Church, dubbed the "green Pope" for his environmental activism - that global warming and deforestation were pushing the entire enormous area towards a "tipping point", where it would start to die.
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Re: A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 25 Jul 2007, 11:59:05

This is not good.

Rain forests normally don't burn - they're too damp. But if they dry out they burn very well. :(
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Re: A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Wed 25 Jul 2007, 14:19:52

Woods Hole Research Center senior scientist Daniel C. Nepstad, cited in the article from The Independent, sets the record straight.

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For more info on Amazon research:

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Re: A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby paimei01 » Wed 25 Jul 2007, 15:51:50

http://paimei01.blogspot.com/
One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
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Re: A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby seldom_seen » Wed 25 Jul 2007, 16:29:51

I'm not really worried.

First we have Amazon.com, the website, so the rainforest is not really as important anymore. Secondly, if the amazon does dry up and blow away. The rising cost of commodities from the jungle will drive the market to create new and less expensive alternatives to that silly overpriced jungle.

Thirdly, the cattle ranches and cane plantations are providing jobs to the indigenous tribes like the Yanomamo and Xingu. These poor people were once unemployed living in jungle settlements living off the land. Now they have development and prosperity.

Thirdly, we've got technology. Let me say it again, we've got technology.
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Re: A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Wed 25 Jul 2007, 16:43:39

Bugger...

Well, looks like global warming will start running away any moment now.

(no trees to sequester CO2 = 8O )
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Re: A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 01:02:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')ntil recently, scientists took the same view, seeing it as one of the world's most stable environments.

Though they condemned the way that, on average, an area roughly the size of Wales is cut down each year, this did not seem to endanger the forest as a whole, much less the planet.

Now they are changing their minds in the face of increasing evidence that deforestation is pushing the Amazon and the world to the brink of disaster.

Rain forests generate their own rain to a large degree. The more the Amazon basin is thinned out, the less rain it will get. It's the worst possible of vicious cycles.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s a result, she says, it (logging) dropped by 31 per cent last year.

But that takes it only back to the levels it was in 2001, still double what it was 10 years before. And it has reached far into the forest after the American multinational Cargill built a huge port for soya three years ago at Santarem.

This encouraged entrepreneurs to cut down trees to grow soya.


The symposium flew to inspect the damage this had caused - vast fields of beans destined to feed supermarket chickens in Europe, where until recently there was lush forest.

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Re: A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 02:22:02

Cyrus just pointed out over in the Environment forum that the article is a year old. I should've noticed the "second year" part and looked at the date.

Anybody know what's going on down there now?
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Re: A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby eric_b » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 08:32:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'C')yrus just pointed out over in the Environment forum that the article is a year old. I should've noticed the "second year" part and looked at the date.

Anybody know what's going on down there now?


Dunno. But I did find this, from late May this year. Doesn't look good (link):

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')2007 is shaping up to be a similar year with meteorologists forecasting conditions akin to those seen in 2005: warming in the tropical North Atlantic (the same conditions that influence hurricane formation in the Caribbean and East Coast of the United States). Another year of drought is of great concern to researchers studying the Amazon ecosystem. Field studies by the Massachusetts-based Woods Hole Research Center suggest that Amazon forest ecosystems may not withstand more than two consecutive years of drought without starting to break down. Severe drought weakens forest trees and dries leaf litter leaving forests susceptible to land-clearing fires, which, in turn, produce smoke that hinders the formation of rain clouds. Logging and deforestation only worsen the effects, which can lead to a feedback cycle that further dries the forest.
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Re: A disaster to take everyone's breath away

Unread postby sciencegirl » Thu 26 Jul 2007, 09:15:59

yipes....this world is so screwed up, it can't be much longer till mankind kills itself.
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