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Re: Will the housing bubble cause no demand destruction?

Unread postby PraiseDoom » Thu 03 May 2007, 10:03:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'I') have one myself.

Excellent. How well do they work frying up a burger for dinner?
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Re: Will the housing bubble cause no demand destruction?

Unread postby eXpat » Thu 03 May 2007, 16:28:51

I think this article in Counterpounch answers nicely the title of this thead, link here
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')remors from the real estate earthquake won't be limited to housing--they will rumble through all areas of the economy including the stock market, financial sector and currency trading. There is simply no way to minimize the effects of a bursting $4.5 trillion equity bubble.

The next shoe to drop will be the stock market which is still flying-high from increases in the money supply. The Federal Reserve has printed up enough fiat-cash to keep overpriced equities jumping for joy for a few months longer. But it won't last. Wall Street's credit bubble is even bigger than the housing bubble---a monstrous, lumbering dirigible that's headed for a crash-landing. The Dow is like a drunk atop a 13,000 ft cliff; inebriated on the Fed's cheap "low-interest" liquor. One wrong step and he'll plunge headlong into the ether.
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Re: Will the housing bubble cause no demand destruction?

Unread postby TreebeardsUncle » Fri 04 May 2007, 00:20:41

As far as the housing market goes, I expect there to be a huge increase in inventory this summer followed by a disappointing back-to-school selling season. 1.8 million Arms are expected to reset in 2007 and 2008, 1 million this year, and 800,000 next year. The buyers can't afford to buy and the sellers can't afford to sell. The sellers will react by taking their houses off the market, especially if they have substantial equity. Others, especially those with little or no equity, will go into default. I expect the prices to fall about 20% in Sacramento, reaching a low in late 08-09 when the number of foreclosures is approaching a peak.

However, expect the overall impact on demand to be moderate. Yes, more furniture stores will close. Yes, there will be less money from home equity loans to spend. Yes, construction employment will fall. However, business and government construction is still going strong. The hospitality, medical, education, and financial service sectors still have legs.
Don't rush to your cherished conclusions of doom on too little provacation so quickly.

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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Jack » Mon 23 Jul 2007, 09:53:09

Entirely predictable. That's why I expect the dollar to continue its decline.

Good for my investments, bad for the masses, kinda cool. 8)
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 23 Jul 2007, 11:32:15

Mass home ownership has been state-backed since its inception. This is just one of the more glaringly explicit examples of forcing that "right" of homeownership.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby clueless » Mon 23 Jul 2007, 13:25:57

But sadly there is no such thing as "ownership" anymore, try not paying your property taxes.
Theoretically this could be changed by the taxpayers, but obviously our society is not that smart.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Mon 23 Jul 2007, 15:52:41

I'm no angst-ridden Mathusian doomer elitist wishing to extinguish the NASCAR lumpenproletarit, but this kind of fascism makes me so mad I almost wish for some "resetting".

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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 23 Jul 2007, 17:22:00

The government will do everything imaginable to keep this ship afloat. They will let it sink when they are ready, when they can no longer keep it afloat.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Roccland » Mon 23 Jul 2007, 17:37:07

Unless it's a $500 Trillion dollar check...it's gonna be like pissing on a forest fire...
However in the end one bank will reign supreme...JP Morgan.
All bow to the NWO...the Amero...and the NAU.
Just like clock work.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Mircea » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 04:07:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', ' ') This is just great - our tax dollars going to bail out the fool borrowers and the pig nosed bankers. I'd rather just drive through a poor neighborhood and throw my money out of the car window.

Those people are anything but poor. They have money, but they also have a few blemishes on their credit reports because they're infantile undisciplined materialistic grabbastic pieces of whale dung, and that's what puts them in the sub-prime category.
That makes financing their stupidty even more unbearable.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby JohnLudi » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 12:07:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'I')'m no angst-ridden Mathusian doomer elitist wishing to extinguish the NASCAR lumpenproletarit,.

Well, I AM one of the above...and this kind of thing really pisses me off!
Home ownership should NOT a right that is automatically granted to anyone with a pulse.

The fact that I have to bail out people who bought houses they could not afford (while I live in a studio apartment because I KNOW how to live within my means), grinds my gears to dust!
(Unless, of course, if this bail out helps keep the entire economic house of cards from collapsing overnight like the financial version of a shanty town, then I guess I have to support it, even though it turns my stomach to do so...)
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 18:28:12

Let them refinance at a cheaper rate, house prices are still falling, instead of being foreclosed on now, they will be foreclosed in afew years time.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Roccland » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 18:41:33

These debtors of subprime toxic loans can't afford a fix rate mortgage...unlikely they will get a fixed rate under 8% with their FICO.
No - what we are hearing is complete and utter crap from the talking heads attemping to avoid a stampede out of CDOs.
GAME OVER.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 18:47:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'T')hese debtors of subprime toxic loans can't afford a fix rate mortgage...unlikely they will get a fixed rate under 8% with their FICO.

B.b.b...but, Lending Tree? Seriously, I am STILL seeing ads for fixed-rate refis even at this late in the ball game, along with the requisite "save your home NOW" tripe, attempting to feign empathy with SOL homedebtors.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Roccland » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 18:56:45

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Countrywide posts a 33% dump today.
Oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Bring on the clowns...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Countrywide Financial Corp. reported a 33% drop in second-quarter net income on Tuesday and signaled that problems in the subprime mortgage market have spread to the highest-quality home loans.
The warning pushed Countrywide shares down more than 7%, to their lowest level in almost two years. It also weighed on the broader stock market because investors have been waiting to see if credit problems in the subprime-mortgage sector would spill over into higher-rated, or "prime" home loans.

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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 19:05:34

Ugh, tell me about it.
My state is creating a 500 MILLION DOLLAR "refinancing pool" to help out the troubled "home owners".
We are raising property taxes so that we can hand out money to irresponsible people who bought more property than they could handle. :x

Can't we just throw these people into the debtor's dungeons of old?
It makes me sick.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Roccland » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 19:10:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'U')gh, tell me about it.
My state is creating a 500 MILLION DOLLAR "refinancing pool" to help out the troubled "home owners".
We are raising property taxes so that we can hand out money to irresponsible people who bought more property than they could handle. :x
Can't we just throw these people into the debtor's dungeons of old?
It makes me sick.

500 million....???
Like piss'n on a forest fire.
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Byron100 » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 19:42:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'U')gh, tell me about it.
My state is creating a 500 MILLION DOLLAR "refinancing pool" to help out the troubled "home owners".
We are raising property taxes so that we can hand out money to irresponsible people who bought more property than they could handle. :x
Can't we just throw these people into the debtor's dungeons of old?
It makes me sick.

I wish people would realize that for most of these over-extended "FB's", being foreclosed on is just about the best thing that can ever happen to them. These people made a mistake buying more house than they could afford, the lending institutions made a mistake lending to these fools in the first place.

Solution: Do like we're doing here in our great state of Georgia. Let the houses go into foreclosure (4-month flush-out time, too) and auction them off on the courthouse steps. I'm hearing stories of houses going for $450k at the 2005 peak selling for $160 k at the final strike of the gavel. Now, that's more like it :-D

And dear ol' Sonny Purdue, gotta love him :) $1.2 billion socked away in the foxhole, and he ain't letting anybody spend a dime of it...that's more like it too. He thinks we might actually need that money for a "rainy day". Props to our guvernor, for not caving in to the "FB" crowd...or any other crowd of money grubbers for that matter. :P
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 20:58:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'U')gh, tell me about it.
My state is creating a 500 MILLION DOLLAR "refinancing pool" to help out the troubled "home owners".
We are raising property taxes so that we can hand out money to irresponsible people who bought more property than they could handle. :x
Can't we just throw these people into the debtor's dungeons of old?
It makes me sick.

500 million....???
Like piss'n on a forest fire.

Not when it represents about 2.5% of state tax revenue. :evil:
It would make more sense to let the people default and then give them a subsidized rent voucher for a few years until they can "get back on their feet". Not to mention significantly cheaper.
Or better yet, kick them out of the state entirely by eliminating rent control once and for all. If you can't afford to be here, leave!

The decrease in population will open up the real estate market a bit, lowering prices, and allowing the people who remain in the state to enjoy a higher quality of life.
For many of these people, they could chose to stay in their homes by working another job and cutting back on non-essentials. But no, they suck at life and we have to bail them out...AGAIN.
Makes me sick...:x
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Re: Your Tax Bailout of Sub-Prime Fools begins . . .

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 24 Jul 2007, 22:28:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', '[')img]http://bp3.blogger.com/_wFWqWIH-WFU/RqY_kREKi6I/AAAAAAAABq0/yLF1UUb7hb0/s320/cfc.png[/img]
Countrywide posts a 33% dump today.
Oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Bring on the clowns...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Countrywide Financial Corp. reported a 33% drop in second-quarter net income on Tuesday and signaled that problems in the subprime mortgage market have spread to the highest-quality home loans
The warning pushed Countrywide shares down more than 7%, to their lowest level in almost two years. It also weighed on the broader stock market because investors have been waiting to see if credit problems in the subprime-mortgage sector would spill over into higher-rated, or "prime" home loans.

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BTW does Mozilo look orange to u?

He always looked orange.
As a casualty of a Countrywide silent layoff last May, I'm so glad I don't have to deal with waiting for the executioner any more. Seeing how many jobs were outsourced to India, it's Punjab's problem now.

Not surprised at today's news, I saw this coming 6-9 months ago. The "Great Minds" making the decisions really believed everyone would rush to refinance all the ARMs they sold 2-3 years ago.
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