[What_Went_Wrong]

Hey everyone

A thread like this might already exist and sorry but I just wanted to start a new one anyway for newer posters like myself in this situation, I’m sure there are many.

The Peak oil aftermath is not actually something I fear for as far as myself goes, as crazy as that sounds. I feel I know enough to be ahead of the crowd, and have made many preparations both in my mind and in life to embraces the challenge ahead. It’s easy for me of course, I am young, fit and have no children, so I do not share the fears that most do. My parents are pretty well off and will not be the first hit by the next (and ongoing) great depression, plus for now both are in pretty good health, they also have a chance with my help.

But one thing almost brings me to tears every time I think about it. I have a very good friend who’s my age (25) and I care for her greatly. She’s class 1 diabetic, and needs insulin to survive, or a very specialized diet that would be basically impossible to stick to in a post peak world. I’ve read and read… but it’s useless, without the modern medical system she is going to die an very unpleasant death ( if I’m wrong or misinformed, and if someone can correct me here , please do!!!). All I can do is encourage her to make the most of life now, and try and hide her for the peak oil reality (yeah maybe that’s wrong too but I’m not about to tell her that her life line might not be available in 5-10 years, when there is nothing she can do to help herself.)

Again, if anyone knows of a way someone can live, unmediated with this illness I’d be very happy to hear from you.

Anyone else have a loved one that will perish if/when the medical system collapses? Or anyone themselves dependent on it to live?

Thanks for reading.

[Jack]

I recognize that the situation is painful for you - and, in fact, most of us know at least one such person. As our lifespans have expanded, our need - our absolute requirement - for ongoing medical care has increased.

Your young friend's age is, of course, an issue; that said, the prospective pain of loss remains despite age. And that's the problem, you see - because it's most unlikely that any of us will live as long as we might have expected to. Her problem is a reflection of the same problem we will all share.

If I may suggest - enjoy the here and now. The present. Perhaps Peak will be delayed. Maybe a cure will be found - lots of people are working on it, and it may be that the race will be run on that front. And keep in mind that neither you, nor I, nor anyone else has any certainty that we'll outlive your friend.

Good luck.

[wisconsin_cur]

I think we also feel despair for the people we love who will be caught up in events and either die as a result of those events or who are so caught up in the dominant paradigm will never be the people we loved, even if they continue physically.

I showed a co-worker A Crude Awakening last week and his response was, "If 50% of this is true I need to call my kids and say, "Sorry, I just didn't know." That is a sentiment we all feel.

[What_Went_Wrong]

I guess it's just the feeling of being powerless for her, I feel with the plan I have, I have a chance to live on longer then many and be a part of forming what the future will be post peak, albeit in a very small way. It just pains me she can not be part of that mission as shes very bright and would understand the issues at hand.

I'm a doomer with a positive attitude in the role I can play, I just wish to god she was not going to suffer such a death at a young age when shes someone that could have made it otherwise. Ah I dunno, Just venting, I understand it's not an exclusive situation to myself.

Thanks for your input guys.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What_Went_Wrong', ' '),,,She’s class 1 diabetic, and needs insulin to survive, or a very specialized diet that would be basically impossible to stick to in a post peak world. I’ve read and read… but it’s useless, without the modern medical system she is going to die an very unpleasant death ( if I’m wrong or misinformed, and if someone can correct me here , please do!!!). All I can do is encourage her to make the most of life now, and try and hide her for the peak oil reality (yeah maybe that’s wrong too but I’m not about to tell her that her life line might not be available in 5-10 years, when there is nothing she can do to help herself.)

Thanks for reading.

[What_Went_Wrong]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sheb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What_Went_Wrong', ' '),,,She’s class 1 diabetic, and needs insulin to survive, or a very specialized diet that would be basically impossible to stick to in a post peak world. I’ve read and read… but it’s useless, without the modern medical system she is going to die an very unpleasant death ( if I’m wrong or misinformed, and if someone can correct me here , please do!!!). All I can do is encourage her to make the most of life now, and try and hide her for the peak oil reality (yeah maybe that’s wrong too but I’m not about to tell her that her life line might not be available in 5-10 years, when there is nothing she can do to help herself.)

Thanks for reading.

[enakllitrah]

We have a 'diabetes epidemic' in NZ and our health system struggles to cope... It seems there is always a doctors/health workers strike on also. I think there will be many left out in the cold in future. I think I would broach the subject and suggest trialling dietary control while there is still a safety net... at least the there is some hope.

"relative long term stability">>> NZ? ha ha ha.
We have very high per capita violence, especially where I live unfortunately.
But I guess it's a relative thing, and might improve as the methamphetamine "P" supply tapers off.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('enakllitrah', '
')"relative long term stability">>> NZ? ha ha ha.
We have very high per capita violence, especially where I live unfortunately.
But I guess it's a relative thing, and might improve as the methamphetamine "P" supply tapers off.

[Evltre]

Don't start telling everyone to send their sick and dying loved ones here - with our ageing population we have enough on our hands!

I'm not in your situation of immediately having a loved one who wouldn't make it in a TSHTF scenario. But, what scares me as a woman, is the thought that I would have died giving birth to my son if it were not for modern medicine and technology!

While I swing from mildly optimistic, to darkly pessimistic in my view of the future, one area I think we will not necessarily go completely backwards is medicine. Having said that "heroic measures" might be a thing of the past.

[POAlex]

That's a very difficult question. I feel your hurt and pain when dealing with this subject matter especially with someone suffering from something like that.

[EnergyUnlimited]

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')But one thing almost brings me to tears every time I think about it. I have a very good friend who’s my age (25) and I care for her greatly. She’s class 1 diabetic, and needs insulin to survive, or a very specialized diet that would be basically impossible to stick to in a post peak world.

[lateStarter]

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')But one thing almost brings me to tears every time I think about it. I have a very good friend who’s my age (25) and I care for her greatly. She’s class 1 diabetic, and needs insulin to survive, or a very specialized diet that would be basically impossible to stick to in a post peak world.

[Fiddlerdave]

Just exactly how is someone supposed to "move" to these places? I've done some checking around with a disabled (but productive) friend in mind, and good health is top of the list for qualifying for these countries' immigration lists.

[EnergyUnlimited]

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')But one thing almost brings me to tears every time I think about it. I have a very good friend who’s my age (25) and I care for her greatly. She’s class 1 diabetic, and needs insulin to survive, or a very specialized diet that would be basically impossible to stick to in a post peak world.

[Fiddlerdave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nyone else have a loved one that will perish if/when the medical system collapses? Or anyone themselves dependent on it to live?

[Sys1]

My girlfriend is epileptic. She must takes medicines everyday to avoid coma... and death. I plan to marry her, and i hope that as oil production will go south, our politic will consist in using the remaining energy to preserve health care instead of filling cars.

[SaitoHawkeye]

Seems like as good a place as any to start posting, since the person the OP talks about is essentially the same person I am - young, fairly healthy but Type I diabetic through the vagaries of fate, and utterly frakked if and when the global supply chains and pharma companies come tumbling down.

Type 1 diabetics cannot live without insulin, and to manage w/o test trips, glucometers, etc., isn't much easier.

I suppose if I'm lucky, the crash will be slow rather than sudden, and I can eke out a decade of life on accumulated reserves of medicine, but I really don't know.

The future suddenly seems much stranger.