[Roccland]

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n July 9, 2007, the Louisiana Federal Jury found Attorney Tommy Cryer NOT GUILTY of 2 counts of willful failure to file an income tax return. Tommy had not filed a 1040 Confession Form because he understood and believed that the law does not require Tommy to pay income taxes on his labor. Tommy Cryer ’s instant victory over the IRS is another serious blow to the IRS’ facade of invincibility and exposes the Wizard of Oz nature of the IRS. In this program, you will hear the 2 hour interview of Gary Thomason by Peymon Mottahedeh, President of Freedom Law School about the trial of Tommy Cryer . Gary Thomason is the Director of www.truthattack.org which he co-founded with Tommy Cryer . Gary assisted Tommy in his trial preparation, attended all 3 days of this historic event and gave us plenty of details about this victory.

[emailking]

Is there a way to keep your emplyer from holding any federal income tax at all? I don't know how I would even attempt paying no taxes if I wanted to. They come out automatically. I know you fill out the form when you start working with an employer but I've never seen a box for "I'll pay all my taxes April 15."

[mekrob]

If this thing is true, then why exactly are the richest people in America still paying taxes? These guys got rich by being smart and taking advantage of the system, not letting it take advantage of them. So why have they been 'suckered' into paying income taxes when they shouldn't be (if this is indeed true)?

[Baldwin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'I')f this thing is true, then why exactly are the richest people in America still paying taxes? These guys got rich by being smart and taking advantage of the system, not letting it take advantage of them. So why have they been 'suckered' into paying income taxes when they shouldn't be (if this is indeed true)?

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nlike the rich, this man worked for his money.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nlike the rich, this man worked for his money.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nlike the rich, this man worked for his money.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emailking', 'I')s there a way to keep your emplyer from holding any federal income tax at all? I don't know how I would even attempt paying no taxes if I wanted to. They come out automatically. I know you fill out the form when you start working with an employer but I've never seen a box for "I'll pay all my taxes April 15."

[I_Like_Plants]

Basically, the working class in the US pays at least 25% of their gross income in federal taxes, add in state (including sales) taxes and we're talking at least 1/3.

Meanwhile the rich pay less than 5% if that, the richer person I know, the less they pay in taxes absolutely and certainly as a proportion of their income.

I say let the rich have their little or no-tax priveleges, and see how they like it after we've hung them from the nearest tree by their own guts.

[Niagara]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'I')f this thing is true, then why exactly are the richest people in America still paying taxes?

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', 'Y')ou don't complain about the mafia.
In New York, if you complined and did not pay your 50 dollars protection money, your windows were broken. In America you get an audit every year.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'I')f this thing is true, then why exactly are the richest people in America still paying taxes?

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'B')asically, the working class in the US pays at least 25% of their gross income in federal taxes, add in state (including sales) taxes and we're talking at least 1/3.

Meanwhile the rich pay less than 5% if that, the richer person I know, the less they pay in taxes absolutely and certainly as a proportion of their income.

I say let the rich have their little or no-tax priveleges, and see how they like it after we've hung them from the nearest tree by their own guts.

[I_Like_Plants]

typical explanation by the rich.

Anyone who's been working-class knows 25% at least gets taken from every paycheck right off the top. No ifs ands or buts.

And the rich wonder they they are hated.....

[kevincarter]

Americans do not have to pay income tax on their labor since its against their constitution, they CAN pay if they want to but they don't HAVE TO. Why? because THERE IS NO LAW that says so. A newspaper offered a 50.000 $ prize to anyone that could find a written law forcing Amercian workers to pay income tax on their labor, no one found it, not even some IRS workers. There is a guy that has made a huge research on this subject, any American interested should watch his docummentary HERE , worth watching it.

edit for spelling and to add: This is not the first case when someone is found not guilty for not filing a 1040, if you can make the jury underestand that there is no law then you walk. Problem is some people just refuse to belive it. You think this info is wrong? just show us the law!!!

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kevincarter', 'T')his is not the first case when someone is found not guilty for not filing a 1040, if you can make the jury underestand that there is no law then you walk. Problem is some people just refuse to belive it. You think this info is wrong? just show us the law!!!

[Tyler_JC]

1.And a bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly.

But they can and they do.

You have to pay your taxes just like everyone else. Whining about it doesn't change the fact that the courts have decided on numerous occasions that income from labor is still income. If you don't pay, I consider it theft because it means that the government will increase taxes on honest people in order to make up the difference.

2. I'm talking about federal income taxes, not "taxes" in general.

Obviously payroll taxes (social security and medicare) effect people with incomes under $95,000 a year at a higher rate than people with incomes in excess of $95,000 a year.

That's why they have created all kinds of tax breaks, public assistance, earned income tax credits, etc. to offset payroll taxes.

(Earned Income Tax Credit)


3.The IRS and by extension the federal government have no control over state income taxes. If Massachusetts feels like leveling a flat 5.3% tax on all income over a certain level, that's the prerogative of the Department of Revenue of Massachusetts.

You can't blame the federal government for your state income taxes.

4. Once you exclude state taxes and factor in the various tax credits/breaks/subsidies offered to low income people, you must realize that today's federal income tax system is more progressive than it has been in a long time.



The above chart shows (in pink) how progressive our current tax code is for a married couple with 2 kids and how progressive the tax code could be (in dark blue) if we instituted the "Fair Tax".

[PenultimateManStanding]

There have been others who found a sympathetic jury in this same issue. No sympathetic jury and off you go to jail, constitutional arguments notwithstanding. I looked into this argument and here is the text from the 16th Amendment: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived." I can see why the authorities interviewed in documentaries were incredulous when they were asked to "show me the Law!" It's there in black and white. Forget the sophistries about how there isn't any law or whether wages qualify for taxable income, "from whatever source derived" is pretty straightforward.

[Roccland]

The 4 states listed below are among the 38 states that Philander Knox claimed ratification from.

The Kentucky Senate voted upon the resolution, but rejected it by a vote of 9 in favor and 22 opposed.

The Oklahoma Senate amended the language of the 16th Amendment to have a precisely opposite meaning.

The California legislative assembly never recorded any vote upon any proposal to adopt the amendment proposed by Congress.

The State of Minnesota sent nothing to the Secretary of State in Washington.

The 16th Amendment was never radified with a 3/4 majority.