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The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 16:21:37

Why wait for Peak Oil to bring "doom?" Those so inclined can choose to voluntarily go extinct.

http://www.vhemt.org/

"As VHEMT Volunteers know, the hopeful alternative to the extinction of millions of species of plants and animals is the voluntary extinction of one species: Homo sapiens... us.

Each time another one of us decides to not add another one of us to the burgeoning billions already squatting on this ravaged planet, another ray of hope shines through the gloom.

...Earth's biosphere will be allowed to return to its former glory, and all remaining creatures will be free to live, die, evolve (if they believe in evolution), and will perhaps pass away, as so many of Nature's "experiments" have done throughout the eons.

It's going to take all of us going."
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Roccland » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 16:42:44

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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 17:00:14

Roccland...please quit trying to "bootlick the moderators" as you put it in one of your very colorful earlier posts, and just discuss these interesting Peak Oil-related societal issues.

One of the main reasons the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (or Vehement as they call themselves) is calling for humans to go extinct is that they say it will reduce the pressure on Earth's resources, including the use of oil. 8)
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby TWilliam » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 17:00:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'V')HEMT is about avoiding breeding, not suicide.


Excuse me, but exhortations calling for humanity as a whole to refrain from reproducing are in essence a call for the entire species to commit suicide. It's called "The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement", not "The Voluntary Human Population Reduction Movement". I second the request.
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Madpaddy » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 17:01:12

Can we still practice breeding?
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 17:03:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'C')an we still practice breeding?


"Vehement" says sex is OK, but no actual breeding --- :P
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Roccland » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 17:06:29

From the site:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q'): Are some people opposed to VHEMT?
At first glance, some people assume that VHEMT Volunteers and Supporters must hate people and that we want everyone to commit suicide or become victims of mass murder. It's easy to forget that another way to bring about a reduction in our numbers is to simply stop making more of us. Making babies seems to be a blind spot in our outlooks on life.


On paper this may make sense, but humans will act like roaches as the die off gets into full swing and we will breed like crazy.

Will be interesting to see what twists this thread takes and how carefully the elephant in the room is avoided.

But agreed. The theory is about breeding less not suicide.
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Roccland » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 17:12:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'V')HEMT is about avoiding breeding, not suicide.


Excuse me, but exhortations calling for humanity as a whole to refrain from reproducing are in essence a call for the entire species to commit suicide. It's called "The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement", not "The Voluntary Human Population Reduction Movement". I second the request.


Oh this is about suicide...it is just not spelled that way.

When the pill and rubbers are not available we will see who is showing restraint in having sex.

Pulling out is not safe sex.

In 25 years - fanatics of this group will prohibit sex all together because nothing will keep us from breeding.

Then - we will revist my first post - too bad the net will be long gone.
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby gnm » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 17:41:49

I have just one question for them.....

Can my kids have your stuff?

:lol:

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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby seldom_seen » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 18:10:12

They are irrelevant. Volunteers are not needed.

Everyone, whether they know it or not is automatically enrolled in the MHEM (Mandatory Human Extinction Movement). There is no opt-in, or opt-out. You're in!
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 16 Jul 2007, 18:29:52

The VHEM has a way cool chant for their pro-human-extinction demonstrations:

"2 4 6 8
We refuse to procreate"
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Laughs_Last » Tue 17 Jul 2007, 22:03:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'I') have just one question for them.....

Can my kids have your stuff?

:lol:

-G

Some friends of mine and I have been members for what seems like a long time. We're all married now, none with kids. You should expect us to be giving most of it to charity. The rest will be left in trust to our pets, in order to spite all you breeders.


I've noticed that they have cool new videos like this one about the stork:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7266506285
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Roccland » Tue 17 Jul 2007, 22:12:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'I') have just one question for them.....

Can my kids have your stuff?

:lol:

-G

Some friends of mine and I have been members for what seems like a long time. We're all married now, none with kids. You should expect us to be giving most of it to charity. The rest will be left in trust to our pets, in order to spite all you breeders.


Sadly pets are not going to be around for much longer.
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby TWilliam » Tue 17 Jul 2007, 22:32:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', 'S')ome friends of mine and I have been members for what seems like a long time. We're all married now, none with kids. You should expect us to be giving most of it to charity. The rest will be left in trust to our pets, in order to spite all you breeders.


"To charity."

Something I've often noticed that I've always felt was strange: why is it people will frequently give to an anonymous "charity" (the majority of which frequently gets absorbed by various "administrative functions"), and often generously, yet seem to have an almost pathological aversion to providing any assistance to a struggling family member, or a friend or acquaintance in need?

Whatever happened to "charity begins at home"?
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 18 Jul 2007, 01:55:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')Something I've often noticed that I've always felt was strange: why is it people will frequently give to an anonymous "charity" (the majority of which frequently gets absorbed by various "administrative functions"), and often generously, yet seem to have an almost pathological aversion to providing any assistance to a struggling family member, or a friend or acquaintance in need?

Whatever happened to "charity begins at home"?


Agreed. I like to give to charities I can see, touch, feel, and in some cases, smell. A harmonica I'm not playing, along with book, is going to one wheelchair-bound regular on the street around here. We'd gotten talking and I'd mentioned there's a possibility, if one has the knack, to make the odd $ playing with a hat out, a much better business plan than starting a "second hand store" since all the 2nd hand places I see around here that start up, flop.

That harp may make a difference for this guy - a lot of happiness and a few extra bucks which appear to be needed.
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 18 Jul 2007, 03:03:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'A') harmonica I'm not playing, along with book, is going to one wheelchair-bound regular on the street around here. We'd gotten talking and I'd mentioned there's a possibility, if one has the knack, to make the odd $ playing with a hat out, a much better business plan than starting a "second hand store" since all the 2nd hand places I see around here that start up, flop.

That harp may make a difference for this guy - a lot of happiness and a few extra bucks which appear to be needed.


Good for you----thats a great story.

I never give money to panhandlers, but I always give money to buskers and street performers because they care enough to be willing to work. I hope I see your friend playing the harp some day, so I can put a couple of bucks in his hat. :)
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby TWilliam » Wed 18 Jul 2007, 03:38:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') never give money to panhandlers, but I always give money to buskers and street performers because they care enough to be willing to work. I hope I see your friend playing the harp some day, so I can put a couple of bucks in his hat. :)


I'm always suspicious of panhandlers, since I knew a few people in my youth who made literally hundreds, and in some cases more than a thousand dollars a week doing so, when there was absolutely no reason they couldn't work. Not that I could blame them too much for the choice; at least they weren't peddling drugs.

Still, the street corner beggars in Vegas would at least wash your windshield. But these guys that stand around day after day at intersections chain smoking cigarettes and holding up "Hungry, please help" cardboard signs... [smilie=eusa_snooty.gif]
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 18 Jul 2007, 17:10:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')I'm always suspicious of panhandlers, since I knew a few people in my youth who made literally hundreds, and in some cases more than a thousand dollars a week doing so, when there was absolutely no reason they couldn't work. Not that I could blame them too much for the choice; at least they weren't peddling drugs.


Oh, I almost went off on you, was going to say busker DO work for their money! I guess in some perverse way panhandlers do too, but I'm sorry if you can stand there and panhandle, you can recite poetry, sing a little, play a harmonica, something.

I was told the santa cruz busker's code by one of the "elders" once, you don't put a sign in your case saying you need money, not even for lessons, you don't beg, etc. You play.

I do give to buskers, and may well, in fact hope, I put in some busking time myself. You see, it would be a drag to draw draw draw all the time, and who knows, drawing may not be any better than working a job. Playing music is just plain fun though, it's a true hobby. There are some things I just have to try while I can.

By the way if you're in San Francisco besides the Maritime Museum, various street performers, a walk down to the end of Pier 39, and various other free activities, I advise prawns'n'chips at the outdoor cafe part of Tarantino's, which is $8, and a visit to Lark In The Morning, which is a music shop like you've never seen. Lutes, sitars, penny whistles, glass flutes, the Maui Xaphoon, cimbaloms, you name it. Some of the stuff is expensive but they've tried to keep everything as affordable as possible. Run for profit and probably laughing their way to the bank, but it's almost like, if you're homeless, you can at least take your begging change in there and get something. Play that, and get a bit more and get something better.

I was tempted by a "guitar ukulele", basically a thing the size of a tenor uke but strung and tuned as a guitar, for $50. I decided not to, for now anyway, but with the addition of decent tuner machines, that could be a very decent instrument. The "maui xaphoon" intrigues me too, except that apparently the fingering isn't like anything else and the time would be better spent working on clarinet or something.

I was intrigued as always by the poor quality of the work of, and general hangdog demeanor of the street artists there. A guy and I had quite a talk about this on the train coming back. We decided that the good ones would go on to find better venues.

If I ever end up being a street artist up there, I'll be the one wearing a beret and carrying my colored chalks on a palette, and being entertaining for a change. I'd probably have all the work I could handle.
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 18 Jul 2007, 17:12:58

. double post sorry.
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Re: The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Postby TWilliam » Wed 18 Jul 2007, 18:06:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'O')h, I almost went off on you, was going to say buskers DO work for their money!


:lol: :lol:

Buskers are a different matter entirely. I'm not above tossing them a buck or two (when I have it), provided they're sufficiently talented to hold my interest for a while (sorry, a jaw harp or kazoo don't cut it. Nor does a tambourine, a didgeridoo, a 5-gallon bucket "drum" or that mid-eastern thing that's essentially a stick with a rattle and a piece of wire)...
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