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An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby azreal60 » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 13:21:55

This was sent to me by a friend. I thought it worth reposting:
Primary elections are JUST as important as the General elections, but so FEW people pay attention to them (and don’t forget local government!). Only 60% of eligible voters cast votes in the 2004 election. Out of that, it was nearly a 49% to 51% split. People making any declaration that half the country believes this or half the country believes that are only making a statement for about 25-30% of our nation.

Government is a trickle UP process. If you support living in a democracy, you need to be a part of it. From local elections with referendums for schools or other things that affect education, ordinances, and taxes, to your presidential elections.
While it may seem ridiculous that campaigning is taking off for next year’s election so early, this should be taken as an opportunity to learn more about candidates and to help raise awareness of the election.
The media can be quite biased, on both sides of the line. But presidential elections are some of the most straightforward portrayals of candidates.
I’m encouraging all of you not only to be more aware of the electoral process, but to also write your local representatives demanding to see changes in the debate process.

Personally, I would like to see the following:
Candidates not being allowed to discuss the viewpoints of other candidates during a debate. No names. No mudslinging.
Begin the debate with a 5 minute pronouncement of what your base foundation is as a candidate.
When asked to discuss controversial issues, you get 5 minutes to explain what (not WHO) you think is wrong with the issue, and the rest of the time is to be spent discussing what you plan to do to fix it.

Not a bad set of rules and ideas when you think about it. Not sure on it's likelyhood of happening, but still.
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 13:37:30

I'm going to be living in a camper in a backyard and doing mail out of a PO box, not sure if I'll be able to register.
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby azreal60 » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 14:52:21

Yes you can. Talk to a local Registar. I used to be one when I lived in Westbend Wisconsin. Heck, you could Become a registar if you wanted to. It's not really that difficult.

Registering to vote isn't about owning land. As long as your a US citizen, you can register.
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby Grautr » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 17:07:04

its all bollocks. no realy it is.
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby Bas » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 17:11:14

so when are the next playoffs again? 8)
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby Baldwin » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:47:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rimary elections are JUST as important as the General elections


So, in other words, they're virtually worthless?

Who do we get next time?

Hillary vs. Giulliani?

It's like picking which of the Four Horseman you want.



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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby Kristen » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 00:52:47

Wel azreal60 I like your entusiam and totally agree with those guidelines. Have people gotten so immature that the only defense they have is pointing the finger at the other direction? If someone doesn't have the courage and confidence to defend their point of view than they shouldn't be running. What we have going on right now is all of the canidates are spending money early, trying to appeal to "the majority" of people. The problems with majorities is that they are often wrong. Remember the 1300's? "The Majority" thought the world was flat and later on in history even murdered poor Galileo who tried to disuade them. There's countless examples. What we need is someone to correct the majority!!!!
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby azreal60 » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 01:30:52

Your never going to correct the majority. You can't. But what people don't think about is the people the majority get to pick from are picked from the active minority. That's where your vote matters even more I would say. The general elections generally aren't that close. But the primarys can be divided by just a few votes depending on the state. And a big win early can set the tone for winning everywhere.

This translates even bigger at the state and HUGELY at the local level. There, one vote really can be the difference.
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 01:34:04

I personally feel i can't change shit by voting, so i'd rather waste time browsing porn. Corporations rule this country, and they don't want my input.
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby dinopello » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 01:36:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', 'T')his translates even bigger at the state and HUGELY at the local level. There, one vote really can be the difference.


Absolutively! People ought to pay attention to their local politics. It's only getting more important.
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 03:47:46

The federal government is controlled by large scale oil, agriculture, pharmaceutical, finance and insurance super-organizations.

State government is controlled by highway/bridge building and automobile related conglomerates.

Local government is owned by real estate developers and real estate agents.

This doesn't leave much room for me and you.

This will all be changing the soon though.

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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 07:12:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I')'m going to be living in a camper in a backyard and doing mail out of a PO box, not sure if I'll be able to register.


Hey, I already saw this movie, its called Americathon, with John Ritter, Harvey Korman and Meatloaf!

Don't worry, the Indians end up owning everything again!
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 08:36:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'T')he federal government is controlled by large scale oil, agriculture, pharmaceutical, finance and insurance super-organizations.

State government is controlled by highway/bridge building and automobile related conglomerates.

Local government is owned by real estate developers and real estate agents.


Except for a year I spent in beautiful SE Asia, I have voted in every election since 1972.

I realized my vote meant nothing at the federal level back when Reagan came roaring into office and took Jimmy Carter's solar panels off the roof of the White House.

In the mid 80s, I realized that my vote meant nothing at the state level.

But, I have to agree with azreal60 and dinopello, we can still make a difference at the local level. This past year, we convinced the local government to listen to us instead of greedy real estate developers. As a result, 90 acres of untouched land remained untouched instead of having almost 500 McMansions popped onto it. :)
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby mommy22 » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 11:09:47

While we were living overseas, I was unable to vote in 2 presidential elections because the hoops were so incredibly high for expats to register, and then vote. So, the last time we lived there, I became very involved in the registration process to make it easier for expats to register and vote. (I think I registered close to 1,000 Americans living in and around Paris). Anyway, there is a new online way for any Americans living abroad to register to vote. Go to: www.VoteFromAbroad.org if you find yourself living in a foreign country, and want to register to vote.
Given that there are upwards of 7,000,000 American living abroad at any time (!!), you can see that making sure they vote in a General Election can be really important.
Personally, I think we should do what the Australians do...everybody votes...otherwise there is a fine...minimal, but surely it gets more people to the polls. Any Aussies care to comment?
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 12:12:30

@Gideon and Baldwin, both you guys, that was some damn funny stuff.
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby katkinkate » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 21:29:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mommy22', '.')... Any Aussies care to comment?


Well since you invited me.. :)

I think the Aussie system is pretty good myself. A politically-independent Electoral Commission runs all the elections and maintains the electoral role (just one for all levels of govt). There's no registering of voting intent or party loyalty so its impossible for someone to 'lose' the registration details of the voters for a specific party. Election day's on Saturday, so everyone has the opportunity to vote and if you know you'll be away or too busy, there are some booths opened the whole week before to allow an 'absentee' vote.

No computers to break down or be hacked into. All votes are a pencil mark on a printed piece of paper that is sorted and hand-counted by a big team of humans. That last point might be a problem for US. Australia only has a population of 20 million or so - maybe up to 10 million voters, while US is several 100's of millions. Lots of votes to count but also lots more available counters.
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Re: An American's Responsibility.

Unread postby azreal60 » Sun 08 Jul 2007, 02:28:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the mid 80s, I realized that my vote meant nothing at the state level.


It truely depends on what state you live in pops. I'll give ya, some states are damn closed up. But quite a few of them aren't. And when you realize just how much the closer to home you go your power becomes greater and greater, you really can accomplish things that are worthwhile even at the state level. Heck, I'd even go so far to say it IS possible to do it at the federal level, it's just a heck of a magnitude harder.

But back to the state level, remember, quite a few of those state elections are decided by less than 1000 votes. Just a few votes this way or that, and you can have change in one electoral cycle that is lasting and absolutely will help where you live.

Now imagine you do that in a few large states, and a few small ones. Imagine peakoils effects start to be undeniable, and people see how much better off the residents of those states are. You don't think you'd see a sea change at that point? Will it stop all the bad that's coming? Heck no. But it would do alot towards getting things down a better path.
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