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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby clueless » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 15:23:21

I get about 30-45 minutes a day. I am currently reading "The end of oil" by Paul Roberts, I cannot figure this guy out, it is full of thesis/anithesis garble...

Have you read that one ?
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby NotMyBlood » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 15:57:43

Look I'm all for slowing down, getting out of the suburbs, having more of a balance to life. But, there is a reason why electricty is so popular. There is a reason why we dont like to shit in outhouses. Little house and the Waltons were great TV, but could you imagine living in a shack in the middle of nowhere with no electricty!! Id last about a week;
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 16:05:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'I') get about 30-45 minutes a day. I am currently reading "The end of oil" by Paul Roberts, I cannot figure this guy out, it is full of thesis/anithesis garble...

Have you read that one ?


I'm reading The End of Oil right now as well. He doesn't seem to have an agenda, other than long term we are in a pickle when it comes to energy. I think you are sensing garble because he doesn't want to pour the doom on too thick. I'm enjoying it so far. I think it's a pretty informative one for the PO bookshelf. His overview of hydrogen as an energy source, the mechanics of global warming, the way plants "store" carbon that is released later--most dramatically millions of years later through burning fossil fuels is interesting. Overall, he's a good writer and I'm glad I picked it up.

I believe the book was written in 2004, and it is interesting how much has changed in three years. I remember reading articles around that time about how the price of oil was projected not to reach $70 a barrel for several decades. Talk about being off on a prediction.

Back to the country living thread, the most disappointing thing to me about country life is how far short the reality falls from the ideals in many instances. I've lived in the city most of my life, but both parents grew up in the country and I've spent a good bit of time around kin folk in the country and overall they seem bored, preoccupied with silly local things (including gossip), and tormented by the apparent lack of anything to do (other than work).

I remember one time I visited some family out in west Texas and there was a pharmacy in the town with an old-school soda fountain 50's style lunch counter (the pharmacy also had a gun department-woo hoo). I went in and ordered a float and was having a great time sitting at the counter enjoying it when I realized that my relatives could not fathom why anyone would want to waste their time sitting in a pharmacy watching tumbleweeds blow by the front of the shop. I mean, they were SO bored.

An issue I think I would face if I moved to the country would be trying to find someone to talk to about things that are interesting to me. I find a lot fewer news junkies, doom connoisseurs, alternative energy enthusiasts, and comparative religion buffs more than a hundred miles outside the big city. There are also fewer “wicked city women” (thanks Tennessee Ernie Ford for that one) out in the country, which I would miss a lot.

I love the promise and potential of country living and I respect country people very much, I'm just afraid that if I got out there I would be bored and feel isolated.

I think John Boy went to the city for a reason.
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby mommy22 » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 16:05:26

Clueless....your kids are just the right age for their first Laura books....go to the library and ask for the young childrens versions of LHOTP...the illustrations are lovely, and there is much tape on our own to proove that they were definately mygirl's favorite books.
Get them started early!
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby mommy22 » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 16:24:11

Well, while I don't fancy the type of life the Walton's lived (I'm happy with 2 children), I find it very interesting for the tidbits that come up in the show....the simple pleasure of being able to make do, use it up...that kind of thing. One show was about 3 of them being lost in the woods, and the clever things that the boy had learned from his grandpa and dad about taking care of himself in the woods (like staying out of a caved out dead tree...it's a "widowmaker" he says, and as corny as it was, the tree naturally was struck by lightning and burned up fast.). and how the mom and grandma covered a really old suitcase so that one of the children wouldn't be embarrased by it when she went away. Or how to use what ever resources you have to make ends meet during tough times. And comments like "it's the wrong time of year for corn husking."
I think these are the types of things that would be good to slip away in the back of your mind if TSHTF and we can't go out and buy new, realize that we may not always be able to have corn on the cob in January, or need to know how to handle ourselves in the woods at any point in the future.
I don't have anyone to get really good info from about those things...my dad was a mill worker and while he sometimes talks about him being the one to butcher the chicken (and it running around with his head cut off), he doesn't really remember stuff so well...certainly not well enough to teach me skills that I don't feel I have.
So, while the shows are somewhat laughable, I look at them as learning tools (and my 9 year old loves them!).
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby Grautr » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 17:03:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')hey were far richer and better fed than I was as a 1970s kid, it's takene me years to realize they were supposed to be poor. I'd say 80% of American kids are growing up with less human feelings, security, regular nutritious food, etc than the Waltons did. The other 20% come from families that own everything and like nowadays just fine.



One episode of Little House on the Prairie really stuck with me; it was one about Christmas time when the kids all got a sock with an orange, a candy cane, and a cloth doll their mom crafted. The girls were thrilled with their Christmas socks, and the contrast between those simple gifts and the extent of our Christmas madness nowadays made a big impression on me.


I can relate to this one. My grandmother who grew up in the East End of London, 5 kids to a bed, told me they used to get an orange each for christmas and how they used to think this exotic fruit was so special :)
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby WildRose » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:00:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', '
')I can relate to this one. My grandmother who grew up in the East End of London, 5 kids to a bed, told me they used to get an orange each for christmas and how they used to think this exotic fruit was so special :)


I can just imagine how special that orange was to your grandmother. It is really something, the fact that in modern times, in our western culture, we have such great variety in foodstuffs available to us.

I remember the first time I saw a kiwi fruit. I was about 17 and had gone to a Polynesian restaurant with a couple of my girlfriends. The meal I ordered had a sliced up kiwi fruit on it, and I thought it was so pretty and liked the taste of it, even though it was a little strange to my palate. That was in the days before we had year-round strawberries and mangos in the supermarkets!
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:20:57

BigTex, a lot of people do get very bored in the country, many move out to a place and then in a few years move back to town, because they are bored or get tired of driving so much to do anything. You have to like "contemplating nature" or such diversions. It's difficult to find kindred spirits and when you do, it's difficult meeting up with them because of the distances. One generally does best either being the solitary type or the generally sociable type who gets along with just about anyone. There are plenty of social events in the country, but, they may not be what one really wants to attend. Lots of church things, and also generally the local dancehall or bar.....
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:31:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')igTex, a lot of people do get very bored in the country, many move out to a place and then in a few years move back to town, because they are bored or get tired of driving so much to do anything. You have to like "contemplating nature" or such diversions. It's difficult to find kindred spirits and when you do, it's difficult meeting up with them because of the distances. One generally does best either being the solitary type or the generally sociable type who gets along with just about anyone. There are plenty of social events in the country, but, they may not be what one really wants to attend. Lots of church things, and also generally the local dancehall or bar.....


People in the country fantasize about living in the city where there is always something to do and someone to do it with. People in the city fantasize about the peace and quiet, lower cost of living, slower pace of life in the country. They give each other a weird look as they pass each other on the outskirts of town. To a degree, people are never content.

My experience with fantasy lifestyles is they are rarely as exciting when you actually do it. I know this from having done it twice: once living in an RV full time (owned my home free and clear!) and another time being an over the road truck driver (Merle Haggard made me do it). My normal vocation is practicing law, to which I have returned after working the adventure out of my system each time. Great experiences, just not quite the tales my imagination had spun.
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:48:17

I have to say I've had the opposite experience with my current "fantasy" life, BigTex. I'm thrilled with my life in the country, having moved back here after living for over a decade in Los Angeles. But I'm one of those solitary contemplating nature types. I was never able to live up to the city life, being a very shy hermit type of person, not really suited for "show biz" in which I worked (still do, for that matter). I was never able to get into the bustle of city life much, or take advantage of the culture there....
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby Pops » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 16:38:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')o a degree, people are never content.

That is true

I am a little different than Ludi as far as the contemplative thing but my experience of city vs. country is just about the opposite from what you describe.

I like the country because I have things to do that are satisfying as well as productive and don’t miss Chuckey Cheese or a Straw Boss at all. If you know country folks who are bored and wish for something to do, they must be much better off than any folks I have met in my, almost, 50 years.

I also have lived in a small city, went to board meetings (read: bored) and needed to make lots of money just to find something interesting to do for the family and me.

Of course kids move off the farm; they see the glamour of the bright lights on the idiot box, the possibility big bucks without effort and wind up fat, depressed, bitter and bored.

So yea if one needs a big credit line earned from someone telling them how to be productive so they can pay someone else to entertain them because they don’t have the gumption to entertain themselves, then the city is the place.


PS; we have an outhouse but I don’t look forward to it being a daily destination.

PPS: Merle sucks; I love him (well… I really like his songs that is).
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby Zardoz » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 16:48:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mo_Oil_Dave', 'N')ope, I ain't laughin'. I remember that show because my grandma watched it religiously.

My first wife and I absolutely never missed an episode. It was easily the best thing on TV for years.

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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby Lore » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 17:08:25

Ah yes, if only real life could ever have been, or be that way. Although I remember growing up on the farm and most every boy my age, that I knew, did look and act like Jim Bob.
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby horsestoaster » Sat 07 Jul 2007, 21:02:28

I was never a big fan of the Waltons when it was on originally and still find it a bit too sweet to swallow.My parents who grew up in that era very seldom missed an episode.They also watched Little House,so I guess they liked to remember the simpler times they grew up in and their parents and grandparents grew up in.I made it a point to read all the Little House books and those I did find to be very useful on many levels.I actually collect books that are around 100 years old or so on agriculture.The ones on animal care tend to be a little barbaric and inaccurate.There is a wealth of information that has been virtually lost and this is how I find I can retrieve it.When my 9 year old prefers to go feed his horse rather than zone out in front of the tv,I just smile and remind him to feed the goats as well!I would laugh much harder at someone who prefers Vegas than a little house on their own prairie!
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby ohanian » Sun 08 Jul 2007, 20:04:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')igTex, a lot of people do get very bored in the country, many move out to a place and then in a few years move back to town, because they are bored or get tired of driving so much to do anything. You have to like "contemplating nature" or such diversions. It's difficult to find kindred spirits and when you do, it's difficult meeting up with them because of the distances. One generally does best either being the solitary type or the generally sociable type who gets along with just about anyone. There are plenty of social events in the country, but, they may not be what one really wants to attend. Lots of church things, and also generally the local dancehall or bar.....


I remember when I went to the countryside and I noticed that that particular location had spectacular scenery and a serene environment.

I said to myself "How wonderful it would be to live here and have the joy of seeing the scenery everyday of my life."

But when I talked to the locals, I had a shock! The locals do not see any spectacular scenery at all. Scenery? They said. What scenery? It's the same thing everyday! I don't see any scenery? The local can't see the spectacular scenery even if I pointed it out to them. As for wanting to live here for the rest of their life, forget it. As far as the locals are concern, they are forced to live here for the rest of their life. Money, they say, We want the kind of money you can earn in the cities. How wonderful it is to live in the cities, they say, you get to earn big money and there are lots of entertainment, events and eatery. It's easy to earn money and easy to spend money in the Cities! So they say.
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby Lore » Sun 08 Jul 2007, 21:28:09

[Jeremiah and Del are parting company]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Jeremiah Johnson: You'll do well, Del; providing you don't get into trouble with all that hair.

Del Gue: Ain't this somethin'? I told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. "Make your life go here, son. Here's where the people is. Them mountains is for Indians and wild men." "Mother Gue", I says "the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world," and by God, I was right. Keep your nose in the wind and your eye along the skyline.

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Del Gue: I ain't never seen 'em, but my common sense tells me the Andes is foothills, and the Alps is for children to climb! Keep good care of your hair! These here is God's finest scupturings! And there ain't no laws for the brave ones! And there ain't no asylums for the crazy ones! And there ain't no churches, except for this right here! And there ain't no priests excepting the birds. By God, I are a mountain man, and I'll live 'til an arrow or a bullet finds me. And then I'll leave my bones on this great map of the magnificent...

... Jeremiah Johnson (1972)
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby Pops » Sun 08 Jul 2007, 22:05:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ohanian', 'T')he locals do not see any spectacular scenery at all. Scenery? They said. What scenery?

I told my neighbor I always thought I would have a little place in the Sierras, Rockies, etc and not the Ozarks.

He said those mountains are pretty but what do you do with them…
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 10 Jul 2007, 12:12:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') have to say I've had the opposite experience with my current "fantasy" life, BigTex. I'm thrilled with my life in the country, having moved back here after living for over a decade in Los Angeles. But I'm one of those solitary contemplating nature types. I was never able to live up to the city life, being a very shy hermit type of person, not really suited for "show biz" in which I worked (still do, for that matter). I was never able to get into the bustle of city life much, or take advantage of the culture there....


Moving from Los Angeles to central Texas is not really moving from the city to the country; it's more like moving from Hell to Earth. Central Texas is very nice country, with a very diverse and interesting population. I suppose that when I talk about country life I should say there are different shades of "the country". In central Texas, depending on where you are exactly, you are probably a one to three hour drive from Austin, San Antonio, the Dallas/Fort Worth area, as well as the fun things to do in the San Marcos area and the Texas Hill Country. That's different from being in the Panhandle of Texas, where one to three hours of driving will get you to Amarillo.

Congratulations on your "Escape From L.A.", though. What a rotten place to try to live or raise a family.
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 10 Jul 2007, 15:14:48

It was mostly really really expensive....and of course the riots, earthquakes, fires, etc....


Here we just have floods, droughts, tornadoes....


but no riots.
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Re: OK...don't laugh at this

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 10 Jul 2007, 15:34:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t was mostly really really expensive....and of course the riots, earthquakes, fires, etc....


Here we just have floods, droughts, tornadoes....


but no riots.


Don't forget about breathable air.
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