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Right side of the oil curve will not look like the left?

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Re: Right side of the oil curve will not look like the left?

Unread postby TheOtherSide » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 18:02:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'A')lbeit reasoning is not very straight forward, I agree with EJ arguments.
Right hand side of curve can be steeper.
That may be due to technology progress, which already had shifted the peak.

Then that's not Hubbert's Peak now, is it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ecause technology progress could secure some production growth even after 50% of recoverable total had been produced from operating fields, then it is logical that remaining part will last not as long because less than half is available and therefore sharp drop is to be expected. EROEI problems will exacerbate that situation further.

Right, but at the same time technology and high oil prices will make it feasible to access fields which were uneconomic before. For example, if tomorrow we started developing Canadian shale oil because we have the technology, the extra production would make the downward slope less steep.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat is observed in large but aging oil fields, with Britain and Mexico's particular fields experiencing annual drop of 12% or so.

Where to start...

Indeed, UK production had fallen sharply, but you have to look that it had also risen sharply. If from '93-'94 it had jumped from 90 to 120 million tonns, I only expected it to fall just as quickly. The curve can be as steep as it wants to, but the left side must equal the right.

Mexico - has been in deline for less than a year. It's absurd to base the the remainder of the world oil curve for the next 50-100 years on what's happened to only one country in half a year.

What about the other countries? Surely more have peaked. You can't just ignore the US, Venezuela, Norway, Indonesia. I'm sure more have peaked since 2004. It's necessary to see which one's the rule and which one - the exception.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y wild guess is that between ca 2012 and 2020 we will experience something like 8% annual global production fall at average 8O .
Further down a line fall be gentler (unless economic meltdown will kill industry meantime...).

Since world oil production was growing at 3-5% (someone might probably correct me on this), I expect it to fall also at 3-5%.
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Re: Right side of the oil curve will not look like the left?

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 18:43:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheOtherSide', ' ')I expect it to fall also at 3-5%.


How can that be true when there are so few new finds to make up for decline in older fields?


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Re: Right side of the oil curve will not look like the left?

Unread postby TheOtherSide » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:18:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheOtherSide', ' ')I expect it to fall also at 3-5%.


How can that be true when there are so few new finds to make up for decline in older fields?


What am I missing?

Because... new finds have nothing to do with it?

Or here's a counter-question: why is it that US oil production increased and is decreasing at the same rate, even though exploration peaked long before the production peak?
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Re: Right side of the oil curve will not look like the left?

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:25:46

Beats the hell out of me! You're the damn expert, I'm asking questions.


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Re: Right side of the oil curve will not look like the left?

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:33:44

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Re: Right side of the oil curve will not look like the left?

Unread postby TheOtherSide » Fri 06 Jul 2007, 19:48:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'B')eats the hell out of me! You're the damn expert, I'm asking questions.


Jerk.


:) I'm just looking at examples.

Anyway, just like I though, I was off on my world production growth number. World production statistics are really hard to come by, some would be appreciated. From 1950-1970 production grew much faster, at 6-8%. After the shocks - 3-5%. If the Oil Crises hadn't happened, I would be sure that the decrease would be 6-8%. Now, I guess it would be less. But either way, the right side will look the reverse of the left side, had the Oil Shocks never happened.

Edit: hard to judge the decline rate from the graph, but it does look quite symmetrical.
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Re: Right side of the oil curve will not look like the left?

Unread postby Mircea » Fri 20 Jul 2007, 02:33:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'W')hy does it always have to be someone from Ohio!? :)


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