[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '.').. the US [s]declared war on[/s] backed a coup in Iran 54 years ago

[wisconsin_cur]

How many years can one hold on to a grievance, no matter how legitimate, and still be considered "right" and "just" and not just a sick S.O.B. who needs to grow up? What America has done to Iran is a pittance compared to what we've done to other's.

Most of South America has gotten over it. Germany and Japan have gotten over it. African Americans... a lot of them are over it. Native Americans... a few are over it. Spain, Mexico, Vietnam all over it. Cuba might get over it soon but it is too soon to tell.

The Middle East still brings up the crusades but you never hear anyone remind the world about the conquest of Constantinople or the siege of Vienna... because we're over it.

I tell you what if the Ummah takes down the United States I'll tell my kids and grandkids to get over it and move on (though I better not even need to tell them cause i'll be over it and hopefully they will catch that from me).

The Middle East can brag about its long memory all it wants but there comes a time when it is not a sign of cultural health or connection with the past but a pathology that distorts a culture's view of present. Iran cannot keep its own people in work so it keeps them under control by focusing on an outside enemy, provoking that enemy if need be just so there can be evidence of an outside enemy.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'H')ow many years can one hold on to a grievance.....

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
')Most of South America has gotten over it. Germany and Japan have gotten over it. African Americans... a lot of them are over it. Native Americans... a few are over it. Spain, Mexico, Vietnam all over it. Cuba might get over it soon but it is too soon to tell.

The Middle East still brings up the crusades but you never hear anyone remind the world about the conquest of Constantinople or the siege of Vienna... because we're over it.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')First you claimed the US declared war on Iran.

Now you admit that didn't happen.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')First you claimed the US declared war on Iran.

Now you admit that didn't happen.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')What if one killed my great-grandparents fifty years before I was born? Should I kill the great grandchildren of those responsible?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', ' ') Just like Pearl Harbor....

[NotMyBlood]

Don't forget there is a reason that the US has been meddling in the middle east, instigating revolutions and standing up corrupt regimes. Whether its right or wrong, the US needs the flow of cheap oil. Without that flow of cheap, middle eastern oil, America suffers. Remember, in WWI(not so much) and WWII, we had are own supply of Oil for our war efforts and the general public. That has changed. Imagine how diificult life would become here in the states if WW3 broke out and those supplies from the middle east became too expensive or went away altogether - how could we defend ourselves for an extended period of time? We would have a hard time meeting demand for the War and for Domestic/general public use. We must "meddle" to ensure prompt, cheap delivery of Oil. We can't leave that up to "chance" or hope that it will all turn out okay. Thats the crux of the problem. So , yeah, it does seem like the US is meddling. Because they are, with very good reasons.

Now, are meddling may not be enough, in fact we are seeing alot of blowback. But I dont think we should walk away and hope that the Islam dominated middle east(with radical elements gaining more momentum by the day) continues to provide us with cheap oil. Its too important to the American military and economy and way of life. As long as we need Oil; take away the need for Oil, and I bet most Americans would never even know there was a country named Iraq or Iran.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ecause they are, with very good reasons.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he coup by Iranian military forces supporting the Shah in Iran in 1953 was not just like Pearl Harbor. For one thing, there were no air attacks by foreign planes on the Iranian navy.

Thats a pretty significant difference.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he coup by Iranian military forces supporting the Shah in Iran in 1953 was not just like Pearl Harbor. For one thing, there were no air attacks by foreign planes on the Iranian navy.

Thats a pretty significant difference.

[NotMyBlood]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ecause they are, with very good reasons.

[smallpoxgirl]

I think it's really easy to say "get over it" when you are the winner in history. Of course you want everyone to "get over it" when you are raking in the benefits from everybody else that got screwed. When you've had your land and resources seized, your country subjugated, etc, getting over it and going on with life as a conquered pauper doesn't look like such a nice alternative. Even Vietnam, you may recall, eventually won the war.

[marko]

I agree with Eastbay that Joe Lieberman's agenda is to put the power of the United States at the service of Israel's regional dominance. Every foreign policy move that he makes has to be seen as part of that project.

(Please note that I believe that this agenda is distinct from Lieberman's Jewishness. Many Jews are critical of Israeli hegemony, and many blind supporters of Israel are not Jewish.)

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'S')o if the Japanese government had funded and backed Henry Ford and a small group of other fascists to overthrow FDR, you think the US would have just "gotten over it". We wouldn't have considered that a declaration of war by Japan? FDR would have gone down to the League of Nations building, shook Hirohito's hand, said "Hey man. No hard feelings. I'd have done the same thing in your shoes."?

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o if the Japanese government had funded and backed Henry Ford and a small group of other fascists to overthrow FDR, you think the US would have just "gotten over it". We wouldn't have considered that a declaration of war by Japan? FDR would have gone down to the League of Nations building, shook Hirohito's hand, said "Hey man. No hard feelings. I'd have done the same thing in your shoes."?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')here is a long ugly, sordid history of countries meddling in other countries internal affairs. These efforts rarely cause wars by themselves.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'W')ell let's try a different example. Let's say that Russia would have put a couple of missiles in Cuba.

How long would it take the US to get over that

[Plantagenet]

About the same length of time it will take Russia to get over the currently planned NATO anti-missile radar installation in Poland.