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800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Roccland » Tue 03 Jul 2007, 11:07:16

SEVEN year supply of unwanted homes!!

"Analysts say there's more trouble ahead in South Florida. Buyers insist prices still are too high as the number of homes for sale continues to pile up. Lenders also are reducing the pool of eligible buyers by tightening credit standards after the subprime mortgage meltdown.

Most forecasts say the housing market won't start to improve until sometime next year.

At the end of May, Broward had more than 47,500 homes and condominiums on the market, according to the Miami-based Keyes Co. That's up 27 percent from a year ago. At the current sales pace, it would take about seven years to sell all those properties."

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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Roccland » Tue 03 Jul 2007, 13:01:01

Spain crashing fast!!!

Speaking of cheap houses....
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Roccland » Tue 03 Jul 2007, 14:50:23

Hey threadbear and Strider - start another thread.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby azreal60 » Tue 03 Jul 2007, 14:55:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')inneapolis, MN-WI $234,000 -15.0% -$35,000


Is that implying that wisconsin can expect a similar cut as Minneapolis? I'd be interested to see the rational behind that, or if say Madison wisconsin could expect a similar cut in prices. I'd love that personally, it's the only way I'll ever get housing even in dane county, given todays prices.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby azreal60 » Tue 03 Jul 2007, 15:00:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ey threadbear and Strider - start another thread.


Done.

New thread on difficulty of getting internet in rural environments in planning for the future forum
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Roccland » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 12:10:02

Wicked graphs...this is gonna suck!

Rates should drop, but it will destroy what remains of teh dollar...

OTOH - raising rates will kill the debt markets and unplug life support from the housing market (that has zero hope of recovery anyway).

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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 14:03:18

You don't get it.

The Fed raises interest rates to damp down inflation.

Falling house prices are DEFLATIONARY. 8)
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Roccland » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 14:04:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'Y')ou don't get it.

The Fed raises interest rates to damp down inflation.

Falling house prices are DEFLATIONARY. 8)


I would say stagflationary, but hey does it really matter?
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby MacG » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 14:24:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'O')h, I don't know. Why would the bank want the house back if it's gone down in value?


Wont be too long before the banks own everything the direction things are going.


Yea. And it probably scares them. Banks are lousy homeowners and they know it. Their modus operandi is to have others belive they own the stuff, looking after it and keeping it neat and tidy while paying the bank. A home owned by a bank run a very high risk of being stripped clean in a week or two. First the copper then the stainless steel, and then it is suddenly not worth very much anymore.

Banks and bankers cant really run anything, they are depending on others to run things. Banks collect interest for doing nothing, and there is no other way for them to exist.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Roccland » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 14:27:04

JPMorgan will be the last bank standing with impunity.

It hath been foretold.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 15:33:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '
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Banks and bankers cant really run anything, they are depending on others to run things. Banks collect interest for doing nothing, and there is no other way for them to exist.


The very definition of a parasite.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby MacG » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 15:52:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '
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Banks and bankers cant really run anything, they are depending on others to run things. Banks collect interest for doing nothing, and there is no other way for them to exist.


The very definition of a parasite.


In a world without resources for growth, yes, parasite indeed. In the old world, the one that got started in the 1400's with colonialism and all, there were abundant natural resources and growth was possible. In such a world the banking business actually helps and enforce growth.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Roccland » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 15:56:41

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In a world without resources for growth, yes, parasite indeed. In the old world, the one that got started in the 1400's with colonialism and all, there were abundant natural resources and growth was possible. In such a world the banking business actually helps and enforce growth.


I am not convinced that there were abundant natural resources and that growth was possible in the 1400's. Without stealing the phantom acre from those who already populated a land.

I believe the over population of Europe led tp manifest desitiny in NA.

The natives were slaughtered so europeans could live.

At least this is what I recall.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby TWilliam » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 17:25:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'Y')ea. And it probably scares them. Banks are lousy homeowners and they know it. Their modus operandi is to have others belive they own the stuff, looking after it and keeping it neat and tidy while paying the bank. A home owned by a bank run a very high risk of being stripped clean in a week or two. First the copper then the stainless steel, and then it is suddenly not worth very much anymore.

Banks and bankers cant really run anything, they are depending on others to run things. Banks collect interest for doing nothing, and there is no other way for them to exist.


Which brings up something I've been thinking about. Once this housing crash is really in full swing and the banks are drowning in foreclosed properties, it might present a great opportunity for some "free" housing, and I mean thru legit means, precisely by playing on their fear of a property getting stripped or squatted. One could offer to "caretake" a property on behalf of the bank. The only real downside I can see is that you'd likely have to remain fairly mobile so that they could oust you quickly if/when it sold. But then maybe they'd just let you move to another one they were sitting on...
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 17:43:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '<')/div>

The very definition of a parasite.

In a world without resources for growth, yes, parasite indeed. In the old world, the one that got started in the 1400's with colonialism and all, there were abundant natural resources and growth was possible. In such a world the banking business actually helps and enforce growth.[/quote]

I agree, credit is a necessary part of a growing economy, you use it to prime the pump, you use it to buy a house to get into it now, that you're going to live in for a lifetime, etc.

But in a scenario where 9/10ths of us have to die and not "re run" in the form of children, so the planet gets a break? There will be houses etc galore, and the ecology will need to recover.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Daculling » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 20:13:11

It's accelerating.

UBS CEO fired

UBS late Thursday announced it's replacing Chief Executive Peter Wuffli with deputy CEO Marcel Rohner, among other executive management changes, following a hedge fund blow-up that proved costly for the investment bank.

Hedge fund hearing set

The U.S. House Financial Services Committee said Thursday it will hold a July 11 hearing into systemic risks to the economy and the financial system posed by hedge funds.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Daculling » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 21:32:26

So... anyone want to guess when the pension plans admit that they hold this crap as well? That is when TSHTF in my opinion.

I'm guessing... Oct 07.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Roccland » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 21:34:23

O yes - global economies come crashing down this year...not a doubt in my mind.
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby Ludi » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 21:46:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'O') yes - global economies come crashing down this year...not a doubt in my mind.


Is that a prediction?
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Re: 800 BILLION in IO/ARMs to Reset

Postby firestarter » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 21:52:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'O') yes - global economies come crashing down this year...not a doubt in my mind.



Seems to be crashing as I type this. The hedge fund hemorrhage is the obvious catalyst. It really is a type of Enron operation, only hundreds of times worse. I think q2 earnings will possibly be enough to float the pig for the remainder of the summer, but come some time in Sept I'd highly advice folks to have their debts whittled away cause we're in for one destructive economic tsunami.
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