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Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Emma » Mon 02 Jul 2007, 13:10:05

I just found out the answer to all my questions and how mankind and the world is coming to the end of this era, and it's not PO. I will separate this post into personal, mystic and scientific to share my research and discoveries.
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Personal
My name is Emma and I am in my 20's. I have been blessed with some psychic gifts: I often dream of the future, mostly mundane things happening the next day.
What drove me to Peak Oil were my dreams, because a few years ago I dreamt about the end of our civilization, they were not simple dreams but warnings and teaching. They would come back over and over until I had done the right thing, whenever I failed I'd die like the others. My dreams all started the same, a huge sun -maybe 5 times its size- people, police army clueless looking at it. Then nothingness and destruction and death. Empty cities like everyone fled or died then finally rescued and with a few survivors, rebuilding a new civilization.

The dreams confused me, I thought it was a meteor then I settled about a message of consequences and preparedness. I stumbled into peak oil and it seemed to fit my vision but for the sun.

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Mystic
The end of days is present in many if not all scriptures and describe events in the sky and fire.
Book of Enoch - The Second End is predicted to be an end of fire (the first was the flood).
91.9 And all the idols of the nations will be given up, their towers will be burnt in fire, and they will remove them from the whole Earth. And they will be thrown down into the Judgment of Fire, and will be destroyed in anger, and in the severe judgment that is forever.
102.1 And in those days, if He brings a fierce fire upon you, where will you flee, and where will you be safe?

Bible
2 Peter 3:6-7 "through which the world at that time was utterly ruined, being deluged with water.
7] But the present heavens and Earth by His Word are being stored up for fire, kept for the day of judgment and ruin of impious men."

Isaiah 30:25-27
[25] And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
[26] Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
[27] Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire: ..."

Revelation 8:5-7 an angel throws burning incense onto the Earth.
Revelation 16:8-9 "And they fourth poured out his bowl upon the sun; and it was given to it to burn men with fire."
9] And men were burned with great heat; and the blasphemed the name of God Who has the authority over these plagues; and they did not repent to give Him glory."

But the most striking is the Maya prophecies and calendar. The maya were great astronomers way beyond their age and calculated and predicted accurately many celestial events. They predicted the end of this era for 21st December 2012. Their calendar is linked to the sun: "When Maurice Cotterel came to study the Mayan calendar he noticed that there was a great similarity between the time cycles predicted for solar magnetism and the cycles inherent to the Mayan calendar system. In his theory the Sun's magnetic field reverses at the end of a complete cycle, after 1,366,040 days. In the Mayan calendar, a complete cycle of time is 1,366,560 days."

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Scientific
Solar flares are real. They caused disruptions in the past.
Past disruptions

During the last maximum in 1989, a power surge triggered by solar energy damaged transformers of the Hydro-Quebec power system, leaving 6 million people in Canada and the northeast United States without power for more than nine hours. The event also knocked satellites out of orbit and disrupted radio communications.

Now, with a world that relies increasingly on satellites for daily communication, the risks are higher. Cellular telephones, pagers and the Global Position System -- used for airline navigation -- could be particularly vulnerable, experts say.

Other effects
Scientists increasingly suspect that solar cycles affect more than just satellites and power grids. An active sun, known to heat the Earth's outer atmosphere, may also alter our climate. Scientists say a small ice age from 1645 to 1715 corresponded to a time of reduced solar activity, and current rises in temperatures might be related to increased solar activity.

A Solar Flare is due...and guess when? (NASA)
The next such event is predicted for the year 2012. (see cover-story 'Bolts of Fire,' New Scientist magazine 27th Feb 99). Normally these events provide spectacular displays of the Northern Lights (aurora borealis), but are not bright compared to the Sun.
Hathaway's prediction should not be confused with another recent forecast: A team led by physicist Mausumi Dikpata of NCAR has predicted that Cycle 24, peaking in 2011 or 2012, will be intense. Hathaway agrees: "Cycle 24 will be strong. Cycle 25 will be weak. Both of these predictions are based on the observed behavior of the conveyor belt."
Like most experts in the field, Hathaway has confidence in the conveyor belt model and agrees with Dikpati that the next solar maximum should be a doozy. But he disagrees with one point. Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.

Moreover:
The magazine New Scientist, 9 Jan 99, carried an article covering a meeting of the American Astronomical Society. A team of astronomers studying Sun-like stars discovered that most of them seem to produce a superflare about once a century.

They studied observational records and found that stars similar to the Sun occasionally become as much as ten times brighter, for periods of hours or days. The astronomers are reported to be baffled as to why the Sun is so stable. Perhaps it does flare, but only every five thousand years, when the magnetic field reverses; causing so much destruction that no eye witness accounts have survived.

From CNN
The ability to detect the flares and ejections is there, but scientists currently lack the ability to predict how damaging they will be.

"All you can say now is sort of like a storm coming in. You can tell them there's a storm coming but you can't predict all the effects of it. You just know the problems increase and the potential is there," Zwickl said.

Flare can make the sun a hundred times brighter, like other planets of similar size. The electromagnetic damage will render everything electronic useless, never mind the effects on the environment.

From Newsmax.com
There have been a series of seven ice ages over the last 700,000 years, according to paleological records - one every hundred thousand years or so, followed by an interglacial period of about 10 to 12 thousand years. The last ice age ended about 10,800 years ago, meaning that the present interglacial period is approaching its end.
Massive solar flare can create flash ice ages. Previous ice age was so quick it has frozen mammoths in place with food still in their mouth. And I believe that's how the dinosaurs became extinct too and furry mammals better prepared for the cold survived.

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In conclusion

When I quoted earlier how the Mayan calendar is based on sun cycle. Science tells us 1,366,040 days. In the Mayan calendar, a complete cycle of time is 1,366,560 days. They calculated it to 520 days difference from today's measurements, NASA predicts 2011 for the peak which almost perfectly fits the end of this age.

I also want to mention that I met someone on PO forums, I have never shared my dreams but he told me how he had similar dreams, a warning from a deceased relative of a great imminent danger- millions of people displaced and gathering of survivors for the reconstruction.

You may or may not believe that something catastrophic will happen during those 2 years but the facts remain that the threat is real and coming. Scientists have no way of predicting the scale and impact and warnings are clear from our ancestors and from our dreams and conscience. I know a lot of you are preparing for hard times anyways, I just hope that you will be ready by the end of 2012.

How is it going to be like living in a world with no communications, satellites, banking, govt files, electricity, sewage, water purification, running water and so on? With the threat of govt using nukes to protect sources of food/water. What about the magnetic effects on the poles and the possibility of an (overdue) ice age?


Blessings.
Emma W.
(and sorry for a less than perfect english :cry: )

Sources:
http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/ ... index.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/article ... 3043.shtml
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/s ... 00131.html
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006 ... grange.htm
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006 ... arning.htm
http://www.exodus2006.com/6maya.htm
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/printerfri ... drcrd.html
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby dukey » Mon 02 Jul 2007, 13:18:02

think happy thoughts
people have been prepairing for 'end of days' for literally decades now

and guess what ? It hasn't happened. Chill out and worry about issues that really matter, like the emerging one world government. That's well on track for 2012.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby basil_hayden » Mon 02 Jul 2007, 13:40:19

Welcome! (unless this is Raphael or Sidney Tawl with a new handle)

If every sun blew up as it crossed the galactic plane, there wouldn't be too many suns left, now would there?

I wouldn't call cell phone service disruption a life ending event, for most of us that is, at least those of us over 30.

One can find any message in any collection of scriptures or purported predictions, as long as your expectations are kept vague enough. something will happen, someday. there, you can take that to the bank.

By the way, do you watch the Ghost Whisperer on TV?

And why do we as a species insist on invoking various natural catastrophies to do us in when we are fully capable of doing ourselves in?

I have no doubt that it will all end in fire, but it won't be from space, it'll be from the atom.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Zardoz » Mon 02 Jul 2007, 13:46:04

Now that's one heck of a first post. Welcome to these boards.

Interesting stuff, of course. Is it possible those old Mayans were that hip to astronomical details? Is this what they were talking about?

Christmas of 2012 could be like no other holiday season we've seen...
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Kylon » Mon 02 Jul 2007, 14:13:05

Welcome to Peak Oil boards!

I'm glad your post are intelligible (unlike Raphaels).

That's a really interesting first post!
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby mkwin » Mon 02 Jul 2007, 14:46:32

Just when I thought I coundn't get more depressed........

I hate the cold as well.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Emma » Mon 02 Jul 2007, 15:00:26

thanks for the welcome :)
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby JohnLudi » Tue 03 Jul 2007, 20:02:54

Just finished a book by a guy named Lawrence E. Joseph called Apocalypse 2012.

He takes a reasonable scientific approach to the whole subject that really tends to complement the more abstract notions out there that center on this date. It is an area of great subjectivity, so it's good to see someone who finds actual physical causality and data.

I have long seen a convergence of many different issues (some of this stems from my own psychic-type visionary experiences from when I was far too young to even have the slightest inkling of what they meant...but most of it from my own research into many areas both common and esoteric)...I think you're on the right track.

From my own readings, I think the Mayans understood time on a FAR more intimate level then we do. I get the impression that their very perception of time may have (at least for some of those in the spiritual hierarchy) been non-linear.

So they may literally have SEEN this all coming.

(Which opens up the can of worms of the destiny vs freedom of choice debate...but I'm not going to go there right now...)
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Grautr » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 07:03:29

I see you have compared Christian apocolyptic and Mayan predictions. What leads you to believe these are correct when there are other predictions, Ragnarok the Viking end of civilization begins with a winter lasting 3 years, that counter what you have posted?

Also how do you plan to survive the event you have predicted?
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Judgie » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 10:06:17

Welcome :)

Nice first post, although to be honest, at first I only expected another Cornucopian joke, or one of the old-timers taking the proverbial p***.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby TheDude » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 11:58:45

Reading the Newsmax article I'd be wary of some of his findings, he definitely has an agenda, expressed in things like this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uestion: If the past is prologue, and interglacial periods last only 10,000 to 12,000 years, and we are approaching the end of that cycle, why should we believe that what appears to be an immutable law of nature has suddenly been repealed by Al Gore, Dan Rather, Mikhail Gorbachev and the New York Times?


This part I'm curious about:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). Climatological records show that whenever the level of CO2 rose above 290ppm, an ice age inevitably followed. I repeat, inevitably followed. When I wrote my report the level had already reached 362 ppm and was still climbing.

Question: If the Climatological record shows that this indicator of climate change is an accurate predictor of an approaching ice age, why should we not expect it to be performing that function once again? What's past is prologue. If the rise of CO2 levels above 290ppm, has always indicated coming global cooling, why should we not view it as such now?


I'd like to see a rebuttal/affirmation on that from a(nother) reputable scientist.

Was going to make a Raphael remark as well. Maybe you could dig up some of his posts and translate for us - very mystical stuff!

Your English is better than that of many Americans on this board.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby TheDude » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 11:59:07

Reading the Newsmax article I'd be wary of some of his findings, he definitely has an agenda, expressed in things like this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uestion: If the past is prologue, and interglacial periods last only 10,000 to 12,000 years, and we are approaching the end of that cycle, why should we believe that what appears to be an immutable law of nature has suddenly been repealed by Al Gore, Dan Rather, Mikhail Gorbachev and the New York Times?


This part I'm curious about:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). Climatological records show that whenever the level of CO2 rose above 290ppm, an ice age inevitably followed. I repeat, inevitably followed. When I wrote my report the level had already reached 362 ppm and was still climbing.

Question: If the Climatological record shows that this indicator of climate change is an accurate predictor of an approaching ice age, why should we not expect it to be performing that function once again? What's past is prologue. If the rise of CO2 levels above 290ppm, has always indicated coming global cooling, why should we not view it as such now?


I'd like to see a rebuttal/affirmation on that from a(nother) reputable scientist.

Was going to make a Raphael remark as well. Maybe you could dig up some of his posts and translate for us - very mystical stuff!

Your English is better than that of many Americans on this board (assuming you're not an American in the first place!).
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Atlantean_Relic » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 20:29:31

Very Revelation 6:12

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Was a long and dark December
When the banks became cathedrals
And the fog
Became God
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Judgie » Wed 04 Jul 2007, 21:27:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'V')ery Revelation 6:12

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


The Bible fails to mention that, the human population will not be able to identify the blood red moon, due to a severe lack of illumination from, ironically, the Black Hole Sun.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Atlantean_Relic » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 14:31:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Judgie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'V')ery Revelation 6:12

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


The Bible fails to mention that, the human population will not be able to identify the blood red moon, due to a severe lack of illumination from, ironically, the Black Hole Sun.


Unless the moon is made molten somehhow.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Ingenuity_Gap » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 16:11:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Judgie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'V')ery Revelation 6:12

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


The Bible fails to mention that, the human population will not be able to identify the blood red moon, due to a severe lack of illumination from, ironically, the Black Hole Sun.


Unless the moon is made molten somehhow.


Or painted fluorescent red.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Judgie » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 21:45:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Judgie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'V')ery Revelation 6:12

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


The Bible fails to mention that, the human population will not be able to identify the blood red moon, due to a severe lack of illumination from, ironically, the Black Hole Sun.


Unless the moon is made molten somehhow.


I'm sure we can find a world leader who has enough of a trigger-finger itch to do just that ;)


Of course, we must know what the bible has to say on molten moons before we can draw up the orders, that must be signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months (along with the Biofools) and recycled as firelighters.

Only then may we begin.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Kylon » Sun 08 Jul 2007, 18:25:21

If there is alot of dust in the atmosphere that could lead to a reddish looking moon.
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby Emma » Sat 04 Aug 2007, 16:04:29

A quick question...

from a scientific point of view, is it possible that a huge and lengthy flare causes a mass evaporation from the oceans then all this water comes plunging back to earth flooding everywhere (40 days of rain anyone?).
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Re: Peak Sun: A dire warning

Postby jato » Sat 04 Aug 2007, 18:34:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]A near-Earth supernova is an explosion resulting from the death of a star that occurs close enough to the Earth (roughly fewer than 100 light-years away) to have noticeable effects on its biosphere. Gamma rays are responsible for most of the adverse effects a supernova can have on a living terrestrial planet. In Earth's case, gamma rays induce a chemical reaction in the upper atmosphere, converting molecular nitrogen into nitrogen oxides, depleting the ozone layer enough to expose the surface to harmful solar and cosmic radiation. The gamma ray burst from a nearby supernova explosion has been proposed as the cause of the end Ordovician extinction, which resulted in the death of nearly 60% of the oceanic life on Earth.[70]


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