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I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Discussions related to the physiological and psychological effects of peak oil on our members and future generations.

What does it mean to me?

I'm above 30
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I'm under 30
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I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Bas » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 18:40:37

I'm just under 30, no children.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 19:08:56

Not sure what you mean "the have to deal with generation". I'm over 30 and I expect to have to deal with peak oil, global warming, etc.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Bas » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 19:12:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')ot sure what you mean "the have to deal with generation". I'm over 30 and I expect to have to deal with peak oil, global warming, etc.


quite an arbitrary line that I chose for my poll; about half the world's polulation is under 25. Anyway, this population will have to deal with a whole lot of more shit than the "older"generation, and with time increasingly only more so.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Grautr » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 19:41:21

I'm 38. I will have to deal with peak oil but sometimes I feel lucky that I am here, sitting on the peak of human civilization as well. People in the future are going to look back and curse us but envy us at the same time.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Bas » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 19:47:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', 'I')'m 38. I will have to deal with peak oil but sometimes I feel lucky that I am here, sitting on the peak of human civilization as well. People in the future are going to look back and curse us but envy us at the same time.


I know what you mean; but reality will be ever harsher for people not much younger than me that you cannot expect to be aware of all the perils our little planet is in.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby keehah » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 21:47:30

Just over 40. If I manage to stick around another 30 I'll have lived both sides. As a kid lived the American Graffiti life with big-block V-8s.

I expect in another 30 years younger generations will look at our environmental and cultural destruction and severely judge us for what we did. We will make the early American Slave owners look quite moral in comparison.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 22:06:52

I am 21. I would like to, on behalf of like minded people of youth, to say thanks a lot to the older assholes that are partly responsible.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Jack » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 23:34:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cobra_Strike', 'I') am 21. I would like to, on behalf of like minded people of youth, to say thanks a lot to the older assholes that are partly responsible.


And as one of the older a-------, I'd like to say you're welcome!

It's been a heck of a ride up - one much more comfortable than the coming ride down. But look at it this way - you'll have an exciting life.

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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 00:29:12

No kidding...

Though I am not so super happy go lucky optimistic, I really hope there is booze at the party at least some of the time.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:50:53

Booze won't be a problem, it'll be food, who needs food when you got ethanol to make.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby mmasters » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:57:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'I')'m just under 30, no children.


Ditto!
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby FreakOil » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 08:32:13

Under 30, single, not children. I think that's going to be a major advantage in making it through post-Peak turmoil, whatever form it comes in. There's no burden, and a young, strong man would have an easier time finding work, which I'm guessing is going to be more physically intensive than shuffling papers.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 08:56:07

"Have to deal with" what?

Peak Oil?

What is meant by "deal with"?

Is someone younger than 30 more likely to "have to deal with" it than someone older than 30? If so, why is 30 the magic divider?

The poll doesn't make sense.

I'm not convinced, BTW, that the very young are automatically better prepared to survive calamity. They tend to have fewer resources and less experience and knowledge. Even health and strength are not givens in the under-30 set, especially here in fat, soft America where something like a third of children are obese.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Bas » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 09:12:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '"')Have to deal with" what?

Peak Oil?

What is meant by "deal with"?

Is someone younger than 30 more likely to "have to deal with" it than someone older than 30? If so, why is 30 the magic divider?

The poll doesn't make sense.

I'm not convinced, BTW, that the very young are automatically better prepared to survive calamity. They tend to have fewer resources and less experience and knowledge.


Have-to-deal-with generation is a term I recently came up with to describe the generation that will spend most of their lives fighting the effects of peakoil and the culmination of environmental problems. I guess under 18 or 21 would make you part of this generation, or born after 2000 as these things are quite arbitrary by nature. However I'm pretty sure we're all older than 18 and born before 2000, so I decided 30 as to include myself :oops:, that and I just like to attach a poll sometimes.

Looking at the results though, 30 or so does prove to be the median age on this forum; it seems that the average peakoiler is quite young, maybe the older you are, the less you really care about it as you may expect it won't affect you as much.
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Bas » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 09:15:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cobra_Strike', 'I') am 21. I would like to, on behalf of like minded people of youth, to say thanks a lot to the older assholes that are partly responsible.



I think if I was 10 year younger I would be quite pissed myself :-x especially the lack of preparation would make me want to hit a baby-boomer 8O
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 09:26:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cobra_Strike', 'I') am 21. I would like to, on behalf of like minded people of youth, to say thanks a lot to the older assholes that are partly responsible.


Get your nose to the grind stone! YOU and the rest of ya spoiled brats are going to support US Boomer's! :razz:
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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Aaron » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 10:18:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cobra_Strike', 'I') am 21. I would like to, on behalf of like minded people of youth, to say thanks a lot to the older assholes that are partly responsible.


You are quite welcome... our pleasure.

And I would like to thank you in advance for your heroic military service, & tragic death in a foreign land. We literally couldn't do it without your personal sacrifice.

Well I'm off now... this energy ain't gonna consume itself ya know.

If my dad hadn't been such a horn-dog & waited a year, I wouldn't even be a boomer. But I made the last year by 5 months... whew.

Dodged a bullet there huh?

A few years younger & I might have had to personally experience some pretty nasty consequences ya know?

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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby benzoil » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 16:24:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'L')ooking at the results though, 30 or so does prove to be the median age on this forum; it seems that the average peakoiler is quite young, maybe the older you are, the less you really care about it as you may expect it won't affect you as much.


I'm not sure that's right. Matt Savinar has referred several times about his audience seems to be the "Management Class" - 50+ white males. IIRC, PO'ers tend to skew young (18-24) or old (45+), with less in between like me (30-45). This is partly because its only at either end of the spectrum that you can change your life. When you're young, you can choose your path. When you're older, you are more likely to have the financial wherewithal or freedom (from kids, perhaps) that let's you choose your path again. In between, you're on the treadmill, in the rat race, etc. Even if you wanted to change, your monthly credit card bill and mortgage payment keeps you tied to the mast of the good ship Disaster.

The evidence I've seen is anecdotal, however, so take it with a grain of salt. The above is my theory on why ages tend to skew young or old. That said, post an age survey on a week day when the over-30 crowd is at work and I think you'll get a more accurate breakdown. :)

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Re: I'm from the have-to-deal-with generation.

Unread postby Waterthrush » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 17:45:43

We can all find some group to blame! I am a smack dab middle (you can tell by my lingo) baby boomer. I blame my peers who had children - that means you 30-year-olds! Most of my friends and acquaintances have been involved in the environmental movement in varying capacities for years, and few decided to have children. Even the wealthier ones conserve, conserve, conserve, and live below their means.

But, once my generation had kids, their self-discipline seemed to evaporate. You were the "baby on board" children, and the houses and cars just seemed to grow along with the fancy baby carriages. I couldn't figure it out - you'd think that parents would be the ones conserving, but they seemed to think that having kids justified any expenditures.

My nieces and nephews, just out of boomer range, are even more lavish in energy expenditure. In vain do I suggest (gently) my nephew should consider ever increasing oil prices and avoid an ATV, a pickup, etc. I am told that father-son bonding justifies it.

I really wonder what the deal is with parents, but I can't ask too directly, or they think I'm criticizing.

So, I'd like to ask you 30-year-olds: have you talked to your boomer parents about why they were so profligate with purchases and energy expenditures? Why did they think they needed an SUV/minivan for 2 kids?

Could you ask your parents? I'm really curious! (Meanwhile, I and all my boomer friends without kids are literally giving each other tips on how to consume less energy/restore the environment/save the planet. Me? Not perfect - but trying. My big thing is doing without AC. I grew up without it, and don't see much reason to turn it on now, except for guests.

I really do want to leave a better world to you all. I actually thought about that today while walking out in the woods.
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