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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby steam_cannon » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 16:03:00

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High temps + Air Conditioning + Maxed out Power Grid = Blackout

Also, I suspect the "computer problem" they are blaming it on, probably just means that the computer didn't find any more power to switch around the grid for all the AC and had to start shutting it down. Considering the weather conditions hitting that area right now, it's highly likely that their grid was at maximum capacity, so a computer error sounds like a really fishy excuse... :roll:
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Unread postby coyote » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 16:05:22

With temperatures around the 110s. Not happy.....
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Unread postby yesplease » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 17:56:55

AC in the desert has got to be the dumbest idea...
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 22:18:32

The 'computer error' was on a computer that is designed to load shed according to what I read earlier. The 'official' quoted in the article said it was not a problem, and from a false reading.

I am willing to bet that the load got high enough to be essentially equal to the maximum, it was not a overload....just a way of preventing one.

More to follow? Likely, is my guess.
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Unread postby Eli » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 23:48:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'A')C in the desert has got to be the dumbest idea...


What are you saying without AC almost no one would be willing to live there.....wait a second?
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Unread postby Baldwin » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:09:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'T')he Pink on the map is God's way of saying, "don't live here, it'll melt a Barbie doll."


That's funny. I'll have to use,

Phoenix is not quite the epitome of unsustainable, but it is pretty damn close. Vegas obviously gets that title. Most of these desert cities shouldn't have grown beyond the size of a watering hole for traders and the military. Now there'll be much weeping and gnashing of teeth...
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby gampy » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:13:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'A')C in the desert has got to be the dumbest idea...


What are you saying without AC almost no one would be willing to live there.....wait a second?


Lol.

People seemed to make out just fine 50 years ago, plus it's a dry heat in Chihuahua, Sonora, and New Mexico. I guess Alabama and East Texas are pretty muggy in the summers. But folks don't wear linen suits and fedoras anymore. Or drink lemonade on their porch when their houses are ovens.
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby rsch20 » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:20:17

It is funny, but it's also accurate. It sounds like an exageration but it really isn't.

I live in Tucson, a couple days ago at work I threw away a few black plastic containers that toner cartridges are stored in. One of them was sitting in direct sunlight and when I came back out less than an hour later to throw something else away that container was droopy and glistening, literally melted out of shape.

Phoenix is on average a few degrees hotter than us, and yes it's stupid to live here.

The U of A held a little event a few days ago where they left food in cars to cook to demonstrate the danger to kids and pets.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AZ Daily Star', 'B')ut it was hot enough to cook the brownies and the rice. A cooking thermometer plunged into the Spanish rice read 170 degrees after the baking dish was pulled from a car.
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 04:02:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'T')he Pink on the map is God's way of saying, "don't live here, it'll melt a Barbie doll."


It's so hot there parts of the interior of your car will deform and melt. You also get "hot wheel" and that's when the steering wheel of your car is so hot it feels like you will blister the skin on your hands. If I end up there ever again and have a car I'm either going to wrap the wheel in white leather or that white cloth tape, or wear driving gloves.
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Unread postby BastardSquad » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 04:12:00

I'm smack dab in the middle of the country,we're getting so much rain and cool weather this year it's starting to creep me out.This just isn"t normal. 8O
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 06:23:40

Lots of rain and cooler temps here lately in Central Texas too.
Utility bills so far this year for my all-electric 3-2:
Jan $87
Feb $121
March $62
April $58
May $41
June $49

I noted on the map above that it's hotter in many other places in the US than in Texas.

Sure am glad I don't have to spend hundreds of dollars each winter month for fuel oil, propane, or natural gas. It costs less to stay cool than to stay warm.

The power was out for about 14 hrs this last week, however, due to storms. I care less about AC, and the frig has highest priority to keep running.
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby skeptic » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 07:11:13

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It's so hot there parts of the interior of your car will deform and melt. You also get "hot wheel" and that's when the steering wheel of your car is so hot it feels like you will blister the skin on your hands. If I end up there ever again and have a car I'm either going to wrap the wheel in white leather or that white cloth tape, or wear driving gloves.


Im surprised you don't have what we commonly use here in Spain in the summer - a reflector. Costs 2 Euros. its a concertina of stiff surface silvered bubble wrap with rubber suckers in each corner. You stick it to the inside of your windshield before getting out of the car if you have to park out in the sun. The wheel and seat stays in the shade - no blistered hands or burnt bum -and a good portion of the heat which would otherwise heat the car interior gets reflected back out of the windscreen.
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 08:42:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skeptic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
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It's so hot there parts of the interior of your car will deform and melt. You also get "hot wheel" and that's when the steering wheel of your car is so hot it feels like you will blister the skin on your hands. If I end up there ever again and have a car I'm either going to wrap the wheel in white leather or that white cloth tape, or wear driving gloves.


Im surprised you don't have what we commonly use here in Spain in the summer - a reflector. Costs 2 Euros. its a concertina of stiff surface silvered bubble wrap with rubber suckers in each corner. You stick it to the inside of your windshield before getting out of the car if you have to park out in the sun. The wheel and seat stays in the shade - no blistered hands or burnt bum -and a good portion of the heat which would otherwise heat the car interior gets reflected back out of the windscreen.


Oh, we have reflectors for sale in the US, we're not savages. They make slip-on leather steering wheel covers, too, in your choice of color or with decorative prints, including Hello Kitty!
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 08:59:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')It costs less to stay cool than to stay warm.


Not when you heat with wood that you cut from your own lot . . .

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ok, fair enough. Perhaps I should have said it takes less energy to stay cool in the summer than to stay warm in the winter.
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 09:42:29

You can always put on more clothes in the winter........
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Unread postby PeakOiler » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 10:30:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')ou can always put on more clothes in the winter........


But do they?

Former President Carter tried to make that point. Seems it didn't go over too well. People would rather crank up the thermostat so they don't have to wear their overcoats in the house.
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 13:50:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')ou can always put on more clothes in the winter........


But do they?

Former President Carter tried to make that point. Seems it didn't go over too well. People would rather crank up the thermostat so they don't have to wear their overcoats in the house.


Sweatpants under army pants works pretty well, but yeah, being cold in the house is something most people don't like - back in the old days they didn't like it either, they justh had to deal with it.
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 18:01:23

Thats why your better off just heating one room and leaving the rest of the house chilly. Got to be cheaper and atleast you stay comfortable in that room.
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 18:11:41

Adding insulation, throwing on a few fans, building more south-facing windows, putting overhangs on the windows, etc. can take care of most of one's heating/cooling needs.

We just have to stop building these F***ing things:

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Sure, it's beautiful. But why are we building giant glass greenhouses for people to work in during the hot Texas summer?????

Much of America's electricity usage is in the form of heating and cooling the idiotic Greenhouse Office Buildings that have been built over the past 50 years.:x
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Re: UnOfficial Power Outage Thread - Phoenix just joined . .

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 18:23:02

Great pic Tyler.

Hasn't Japan built a few buildings like that but were covered with PV instead of just glass?
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