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Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby mekrob » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 08:44:53

So I used to work at Subway for about a month, then I quit for several reasons. Anyway, we were getting our checks yesterday and I looked at my timecard and paycheck and they were way off. For one, she would mark us down. So if we clocked in at 4:01 and clocked out at 1:25, she would rewrite it as clocking out at 12 because that's when we close (but we still have to clean-up and do other things).

Secondly, she would simply round (down) our hours, rather than adding up each minute. So if it were from 4:00 pm to 11:25 pm, she'd only put us down for working 7 hours.

So my question, how is this stuff not illegal? I calculate (because I had added up my hours beforehand) that she stole about $250 just from me in one month of working there.

So is this stuff legal or illegal? Because I can't imagine the first one is and as for the second, I've always gotten paid for every single minute of work elsewhere.

(And I know that state laws vary, but I'm asking federally and just in general for states).
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby mekrob » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 10:24:50

We do punch time cards and then she marks out our time and writes in an hour less.

But I'm definitely never eating there again and making sure to tell everyone else I know never to also. I'm thinking of planning on going back in a year or so when she has completely new employees, ordering a dozen footlong double Steak and Cheese with extra bacon and then just leaving. Do that a couple of times to get her back.
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 11:12:47

I would talk to the other employees who have been there for a while and ask them why/when this started, and if they've done anything about it and, more importantly, if it's somehow justified (I can't imagine...). If that doesn't work, I would talk to the franchise operator/owner (who probably sets the policy), and if that doesn't work, talk to corporate. It doesn't sound kosher to me.

If you find out that you are only paid for set shifts, then I would promptly leave after my shift ended. You don't owe them your free time.
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby mekrob » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 11:42:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') would talk to the other employees who have been there for a while and ask them why/when this started


I don't work at a law firm. These people are used to welfare so they're just happy to get a paycheck and are too dumb to look through the numbers, which is why she's able to get away with this.

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')If you find out that you are only paid for set shifts, then I would promptly leave after my shift ended. You don't owe them your free time.


I already quit but I would've done that if I had known this would happen.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ake copies of your time card and paycheck showing the discrepancies before you make a fuss about it.


I already made a fuss about it yesterday when she tried to give us our checks. She took it back and said she'd correct it, but I have serious doubts. I'll find out later today if she can keep her word.

Another question that has absolutely nothing to do with this: if a knife were to somehow end up in a tire of a car, would the car's alarm go off?...Just asking.

(I know it may seem pathetic to worry about a couple hundred bucks, but it was like getting paid 2/3 what I should have been getting there and with PO coming up, I really need money to invest).

If I do decide to contact the authorities, who would they be? DoL, DA, State Attorney's Office, regular cops?
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 11:48:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'I') don't work at a law firm. These people are used to welfare so they're just happy to get a paycheck and are too dumb to look through the numbers, which is why she's able to get away with this.


I wouldn't be so sure. I was a lower-rung retail worker at a store for a few years and we'd sure as hell raise hell with each other while the boss wasn't in earshot, including discrepancies like these.

Somehow I doubt those barely making minimum wage are going to be too happy having to work extra time for free, but that's just my suspicion (and that's assuming they know, which you are saying they don't, b/c they don't run the numbers). You obviously know your [former] coworkers, and I don't.
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 11:54:41

thats a pure robbery. Do what you can to get your money back, damage their interests or both. Sue them if you can get a witness. Once a restaurant I worked at stole about $100 from my wages. I made sure I made thousands of dollars worth of damages, direct and indirect, before i left.
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby Geko45 » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 13:05:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'I')f I do decide to contact the authorities, who would they be? DoL, DA, State Attorney's Office, regular cops?

Contact your state's labor board. In Texas that would be the Texas Workforce Commission. I'm not sure what state you're in, but I'm sure they have an equivalent agency. Generally, a single call from them informing the employer of a formal complaint is enough to resolve the matter. The last thing an employer like this wants is the labor board sorting through their records. They will pay you what you are owed without further hesitation.
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby jupiters_release » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 17:10:08

mekrob,

Aren't your parents well off? Why are you working at subway in the first place?
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby mekrob » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 18:22:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'm')ekrob,

Aren't your parents well off? Why are you working at subway in the first place?


My parents aren't well off. $60, maybe 70k a year. It's my uncle that's loaded. (Thanks for remembering?) Hard work, or at least some type of work, is needed in this family. I started working when I was 17 and that was probably the oldest start for anyone in my family. My uncle won't lend me any spending money, only school money.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ontact your state's labor board. In Texas that would be the Texas Workforce Commission.


Did so. Thanks. But I guess I need proof, or at least to know the exact days that I was ripped off on and I can't get that info without going through my ex-boss and she's decided not to answer her phone today nor return calls...

I looked on the federal DoL website and apparently for each case of withholding money from an employee's paycheck, the employer can be fined up to $1,100. Probably possible jail time for the amount she steals (thousands per year). Should be interesting to see how this lady reacts...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'd')amage their interests


Anything on slashing tires and the car alarm? *whistles as he walks away*
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby pup55 » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 18:54:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')he marks out our time and writes in an hour less


1. Illegal.

2. Falsification of company documents. Probably a violation of Subway ethical code.

3. She is an independent franchisee, but I am sure has to comply with Subway standards of business practices.

4. Wallymart got taken to court and sued for multimillions on this very issue.
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 20:18:13

Yep Dept of Labor or something, maybe call your local OSHA and ask them who to contact, sometimes you have to 'daisy chain" a bit to find the right people. Like I started out with Child Protective Services to find out about the Dept of Crime Prevention in my city.

Very very illegal.
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby mekrob » Wed 27 Jun 2007, 22:45:31

This is just absolutely fucking brilliant, what this heinous bitch is doing.

She's saying that she's deducting those hours (say from clocking out at 2 and changing it to 12) because we were only supposed to work until 12 (or whenever) and that then we were supposed to write a note on the side of the time card (like there is any room) saying why we stayed late (but she doesn't verify so how does this help to crack down on loitering around?!?).

But the thing is, we were never informed that we had to do this. Apparently, it's the manager's job (she's just the owner) to inform us of this policy. What she doesn't understand is that 1) that doesn't matter. The employees must be informed of all policies, especially that of the time card, no matter what; and 2) the manager's are under her. So if the manager's aren't doing their job, then she's not doing hers.

She's redirecting me to the book-keeper, who I'll have to deal with tomorrow. This definitely seems like what Wal-Mart did.

$3 in gas money there and back every time I have to do this.
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby mekrob » Thu 28 Jun 2007, 09:55:43

I just talked to the accountant (independent). Apparently, I don't have much of a case since I already signed my time card. Although I signed the time cards before she changed them, it basically pits my word versus hers and from a legal standpoint, I'm in a deadlock and don't have time to go through months of deliberations just for $100 or so.

Fuck!
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 13:40:21

So you had your first real world experience outside of all the fictional "theory" you studied in school and now you're outraged LOL.

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought you said you were confident with being able to deal with peak oil, quibbling over $100 and having to work at subway wouldn't appear to support that? No offense intended but many of your posts smack of delusional idealism.
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Re: Paycheck Trouble: Getting Ripped Off?

Unread postby mekrob » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 14:00:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe I'm wrong but I thought you said you were confident with being able to deal with peak oil, quibbling over $100 and having to work at subway wouldn't appear to support that?


Well, when I graduate in two years, I'll likely have many job offers, possibly reaching close to $100k per year. Unless I have a tremendous upswing in grades, I should expect at least $50k a year. Not to mention I'll have a profession that will be required in future years (reserv. eng.) so I'll have a job for quite some time and the pay will keep up, if not excede, inflation. I think I'll manage.

I'm pissed about "just" $100-200 because that would increase my savings by about 25%. I'd kinda like to have a little cushion so I don't have to work so much during school. But if not, oh well.

And as I said, this is personal money for spending and, hopefully, saving. If things ever got really bad, I have plenty of support options elsewhere as well as job opportunities that would leave me living in luxury now and comfort in the future.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o offense intended but many of your posts smack of delusional idealism.


I believe I tend to preach idealism while addressing reality and hoping that they can meet in the middle some day. We should always have ideals that we strive for, but also be realistic about the situation that exists today.
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