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Clueless in America
Re: Clueless in America
by vision-master » Fri 04 May 2007, 12:55:48
Get out out debt 1st..............
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Re: Clueless in America
by clueless » Fri 04 May 2007, 13:01:57
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'G')et out out debt 1st..............
Good tip !
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Re: Clueless in America
by Sheb » Fri 04 May 2007, 13:02:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'Y')eah right if it is a place where there is chance that a person could find food water and shelter, you can bet there will be a million or so other people with the same flippin idea.
Where are you going to go? where are you going to hide?
It will be a lot like an African drought that has hit the entire world.
During the dust bowl people picked up and moved their entire families because of rumors that there were jobs and food to be had in California. I think people do not understand the level of desperation involved with that. To pick up and take your children across the country simply based on hope is incredible.
There is nothing new under the sun, people forget that this has happened before.
Where are you going to go? where are you going to hide?
It will be a lot like an African drought that has hit the entire world.
During the dust bowl people picked up and moved their entire families because of rumors that there were jobs and food to be had in California. I think people do not understand the level of desperation involved with that. To pick up and take your children across the country simply based on hope is incredible.
There is nothing new under the sun, people forget that this has happened before.
Criminy Eli...that has got to be one most cynical posts I have read here! Tell me you're having a bad morning
Of course, any plan has to be picked apart critically if it is going to be viable. So is true with surving a "storm". You do a pretty good job of picking apart the conventional wisdom plan. I'll try to throw in my $.02 in for each very good point you make. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'Y')eah right if it is a place where there is chance that a person could find food water and shelter, you can bet there will be a million or so other people with the same flippin idea.
That is why most people will die. But not everyone. To overcome this fact, *don't* go where everyone will want to go to live off the fat of the land. In fact, don't plan to live off the fat of the land. Instead, start right now being able to live off the gristle. And be prepare to last it out and defend it.
But wait...aren't the places where no-one wants to go dog-forsaken hell-holes that are too-hot/too-cold/too-thin-of atmosphere/etc? Yes they are. So figure out what your strengths are now, and what you can handle in the long run with preparation, and go that route. The tougher the environment you can handle, the greater the chances of your survival. Me? I'm skinny and wiry and don't mind arid environs...I've jogged across the Blackrock desert barefoot just to see how hard it would be. But I don't do so good in jungle climates or urban climates. So, guess which way I will be going?
Once you have figured out *where* is good, go there NOW. If you are goign to play wait-and-see, you will be right there with the majority. But remember, the majority may die. As the infomercials say, Act NOW--supplies are running out! Only a minority even *plan* do do these things. If you do them, you will be a very small minority indeed, and because of that will be among the best suited to survive.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', ' ')Where are you going to go? where are you going to hide?
You have to figure that out. If you don't, and things get as bad as forseen, your lifespan and the lifespans of those depending on you will be significanly abbreviated. Being able to hide for a bit, perhaps through one-to-two hard winters, may not be bad either. But I can't tell you where to hide, and I sure won't tell you where I would hide
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', ' ')It will be a lot like an African drought that has hit the entire world.
Sorry, that statement has too many broad generalizations to answer. But maybe don't go to the places that are forecast to dry up soon, unless the benefits outweigh the costs.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', ' ')During the dust bowl people picked up and moved their entire families because of rumors that there were jobs and food to be had in California. I think people do not understand the level of desperation involved with that. To pick up and take your children across the country simply based on hope is incredible.
Which is why I have a very hard time understanding why *anyone* on this site advocates the wait-and-see approach. If you want a painful illustration of acting existentially in times of extreme hardship, read Moll Flanders, Grapes of Wrath, and We The Living for starts. Reading Diamond's Collapse and Guns Germs and Steel wouldn't hurt either.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '
')There is nothing new under the sun, people forget that this has happened before.
When exactly in the past did humanity go through the cycle of booming in population and technology, on a global sense, fueled by an enormous found-wealth of energy, only to reach a point where we subjucated the resources of the entire planet, and then collapsed? There are *always* new things and developments. Perhaps they just happen on a time scale that is out of synch with our culture's instant-gratification-expecting programming.
