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Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby Baldwin » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 00:31:33

Peak Oil+doomerism in the news


Scroll dow to the second series of pictures in the box "frightening forecast for earth" Then hit the right arrow button, bringing up picture 2 (picture 1 is dated 2007). Picture 2 reads:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')008: Global oil production peaks between 2008 and 2018, triggering a global recession, food shortages and conflicts between nations over dwindling supplies.


This was on aol's news. I hate to use the overused phrase of, "So it begins." But usually peak oil in the news is how corn alcohol or something will save us and allow for flying "future cars." Mainstream news does not mention peak oil and in definitive language lay out something like holmes's fantasies of resource wars and food shortages.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 00:48:06

It's been amazing watching things come to pass ..... the housing crash was forecast back in 2003, but it's happening now. Peak oil was a fringe thing, but now you hear about people not being fooled by carbon credits, ethanol, etc and forget about hydrogen - that got talked up and shot down 2+ years ago.

It comes to pass, slowly, but it comes to pass.
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 12:26:21

It's been a hard pill to swallow, but the mainstream press kind of has a responsibility to keep people from panicking and running for the hills. They HAVE to be a nice gloss on things, even when things are headed down as they are now, because if they told the unglossed truth, things would get worse faster.

Trouble is, I think it tends to make a level then a cliff, as opposed to a steady slope downward.
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 14:05:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o mine eyes decieve thyself?


Speak'st thou English? ("i before e except after c") Thou hast also mixed first and second persons.

"thou" = second person singular, informal

"ye" = second person plural

Alter thine headline thus:

"Do ye deceive me, eyes?"

or:

"Hast mine eyes deceiv'd themselves?"

:-D

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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 14:31:03

I think he means "Dost thine eye's deceive thyself?"
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Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
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Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 14:41:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o mine eyes decieve thyself?


Speak'st thou English? ("i before e except after c") Thou hast also mixed first and second persons.

"thou" = second person singular, informal

"ye" = second person plural

Alter thine headline thus:

"Do ye deceive me, eyes?"

or:

"Hast mine eyes deceiv'd themselves?"

:-D

Cheers, Dood.
kindred spirit. The world is about to implode but we must educate about our blessed language. Don't get me wrong, I feel the same way myself, but it's all too absurd.
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 15:29:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'k')indred spirit. The world is about to implode but we must educate about our blessed language. Don't get me wrong, I feel the same way myself, but it's all too absurd.


yep. all meant in good spirits.

imagine sitting with your compatriots, sharpening sticks, awaiting a food drop, quoting shake-speare:
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby Baldwin » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 17:17:10

Unless you have an ego thing whereby you need to prove your knowledge of obsolete grammar, there is a more important issue at hand.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nteresting how the peak oil theme was just sort of dropped in at slide 2, in what would otherwise seem to be a climate change portfolio.


I really didn't expect that at all. In the successive slides though, it shows how by 2050 or sometime that the population will be 7.6 billion. It's a bit cornucopian to talk about peak oil between 2008-2018 (with food shortages and resource wars mentioned to boot) and then 7.6 billion people on slide 6 or so.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')It's been a hard pill to swallow, but the mainstream press kind of has a responsibility to keep people from panicking and running for the hills.


But of late the media doesn't apply gloss to a bad story. They just force us to drink the varnish and like it. We're so drugged up with sports (ever wonder why America has more teams and games going simultaneously than any other nation?) and American Idol that the media doesn't even need to mention the bad stuff. They just go on about future cars and colonizing mars.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think it will be a scary day when it finally is in the mainstream media. People like us, who give a shit, seem to always be ahead of the pack when it comes to this news. I remember back when Y2K was first talked about in the mid 1990s and how it was a terrible thing that could come to pass. It was scoffed at, then when the time came closer, people reacted and some paniced but the news got a hold of it and then it became a hot issue. I know that some people think it was a false alarm but I truly believe that people spent the money, got the old computers and software fixed, for the most part and then it wasn't as big a deal.


Peak oil cannot be fixed though with a 2 mb software patch though...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eak oil is the big one that still hasn't hit but when it does, it will be the biggest news.

I read about, was concerned about and spoke about all these things to different people long before they were even hinted at in the news. Hence, I have gained the recognition as the villiage doomsayer. Fine.... Now that I've stopped trying to save the world and keep my findings to myself, all I can do is wait to see it played out. We are a lonely bunch of people in a world of people living in a fog.


Peak oil will be big when it gets there. When people hear the report:

Reuters: March 2, 2012 WASHINGTON-D.C.

...Peak Oil: Doom at our doorstep and real. More real than Y2K. As prices have risen dramatically at the pump and in the great commodity exchanges of New York and London, the public has come to wonder whether the stuff truly is running out.

Furthermore, much of the world's corn and sugar supply has been earmarked for ethanol, driving up food prices dramatically in the last 2 years and sparking outrage throughout the Western hemisphere. China is already in famine and according to some reports marshalling its armies for war.

America's food has been rationed a la World War II. There is even talk of worse rationing among top levels of government and scientists.

April 20, 2013 NEW YORK, (notice the date April 20)

...Food prices have gone to record levels in recent weeks as the realization that oil is running out. Riots are present and growing in major U.S. cities. Some have emptied, like Detroit and New Orleans, for lack of opportunity. Internet use has declined tremendously and it seems youtube and google are history.

Today, Washington has enacted a program through which food, corn gruel basically, is now handed out to citizens all over the country. Those with access to meat are either wealthy or live in rural areas....
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 18:09:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nless you have an ego thing whereby you need to prove your knowledge of obsolete grammar


Well, baldy, I was just trying to be helpful.
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby dinopello » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 19:03:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'i')magine sitting with your compatriots, sharpening sticks, awaiting a food drop, quoting shake-speare:


Wasn't Shakespeare late middle-ages ? That's what they were doing back then (and off to the Crusades!), so it should feel quite natural.
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby Baldwin » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 20:54:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'i')magine sitting with your compatriots, sharpening sticks, awaiting a food drop, quoting shake-speare:


Wasn't Shakespeare late middle-ages ? That's what they were doing back then (and off to the Crusades!), so it should feel quite natural.


Shakespeare was well into the Renaissance (reign of Queen Elizabeth I).
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 21:04:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', '
')We're so drugged up with sports
Hey, it just so happens that for the first time in history, my home town has a shot at winning both the World Series and the Super Bowl. Of course, the odds makers can be wrong.
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 21:17:22

Even back in the olde days, they would have simply said, "Do mine eyes deceive me?"
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 21:51:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '"')Do mine eyes deceive me?"
spoil sport. San Diego isn't going to win anything. Never has, never will, except the 1963 Chargers. I watched my son graduate from high school in that old stadium where the Chargers played in 1963.
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby Carlhole » Sat 23 Jun 2007, 22:06:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '"')Do mine eyes deceive me?"
spoil sport. San Diego isn't going to win anything. Never has, never will, except the 1963 Chargers. I watched my son graduate from high school in that old stadium where the Chargers played in 1963.


Gosh, what flabbergasting information! Spot on! Tell me, PMS, do you mind if I quote you in my weekly letter to my Mom?
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby eXpat » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 10:10:34

PO and doomerism are slowly making its way into the mainstream, for an example check this video about a yet to be released book: link
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Re: Do mine eyes decieve thyself?

Unread postby Baldwin » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 16:42:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'P')O and doomerism are slowly making its way into the mainstream, for an example check this video about a yet to be released book: link


Which is a bad sign as far as the timeline goes. I am hoping for a comfortable 10 years before it gets ugly, but I realize that I may have 5 years. I need enough gas to make it from my house in nassau county (border of queens in new york), into manhattan to join the Jesuits. They might take me as early as summer of 08 or as late as the academic year of 2010-2011. Needless to say, I am trying for summer of 2008.
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