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World oil reserves used up faster than they're being found

Postby KevO » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 09:15:13

says the headline. so we've past peak oil.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world's major oil companies replaced reserves at levels below 100 percent for the third straight year in 2006, even as costs to find and produce the key asset continued to rise, a new analysis shows.

Reserve replacements last year, excluding acquisitions and divestitures, were 91 percent, below the 92 percent replaced in 2005, according to a report released last week by the investment bank Bear Stearns & Co.

At the same time, the companies' finding and development costs rose to $13.63 per barrel of oil equivalent, the report said, a 28 percent rise from 2005.

Analysts typically say an oil company's reserves replacement should average more than 100 percent over a three- to five-year period to indicate growth.

"The major oils continue to record reserves in large blocks, but with less frequency," the report said. "The timings of these bookings causes swings in reserve-replacement performance."

Jeff Tillery, an analyst with Pickering Energy Partners in Houston, said falling reserves could have some effect on rising gasoline prices, particularly as world demand grows.

But, he noted, companies such as Irving-based Exxon Mobil Corp., Royal Dutch Shell and other majors produce a small portion of the world's oil and natural gas compared with government-controlled national oil companies.

The Bear Stearns report also noted that oil and natural gas production by the majors rose 4 percent last year from a year earlier. That number was lifted in part by acquisitions such as ConocoPhillips' $35.6 billion purchase of Burlington Resources, and Occidental Petroleum Corp.'s $3.8 billion takeover of Vintage Petroleum.

The report said finding and development costs continue to be influenced by the need to extract oil from more technically challenging areas, such as deeper waters and rugged terrain.

"Inflationary pressures stemming from a tight market for deep-water rigs, labor and materials also took a toll," Bear Stearns said.

Looking ahead, the investment bank said it expects reserve bookings to "remain lumpy" in 2007, and for replacements among the major oil companies to remain mixed. Over a period of five to 10 years, Bear Stearns said replacement-booking levels are likely to be in the 100 to 110 percent range.

"In other words, we have confidence that the exploration efforts being undertaken now will pay off in the near future," the report said.

Of some of the world's major integrated oil companies, Bear Stearns noted:

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Postby PraiseDoom » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 10:30:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 's')ays the headline. so we've past peak oil.



But of course. According to the experts, conventional crude peaked 2 years ago, and all crude 1 year ago.

The problem as I see it is, no one seems to have noticed.
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby Ayame » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 11:28:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '
')The problem as I see it is, no one seems to have noticed.


I think the poor people in Africa that can no longer afford oil to cook and heat their homes will have noticed. The great deforestation of these countries has already begun.
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby PraiseDoom » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 11:58:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '
')The problem as I see it is, no one seems to have noticed.


I think the poor people in Africa that can no longer afford oil to cook and heat their homes will have noticed. The great deforestation of these countries has already begun.


Africa not being able to afford stuff ( not just oil ) is hardly a condition which started with Peak Oil 2 years ago. Neither is world wide deforestation.

Sounds pretty meek. Peak Oil happened and the devastation caused was so terrific that....some African bushmen spent their cash on new axes?
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby Windmills » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 12:54:19

What am I not understanding in that report? It seems like something isn't being said. I thought we passed the point of being able to replace what we use about 25 years ago. Since then, it's only gotten worse. A quick glance at the Oil Poster seems to show we're using about 3 or 4 times as much as we find.

Doom, in a way, you make a point that coincides with what I am beginning to believe. I am beginning to doubt that there will be a TSHTF moment, but rather that the world will experience a long, slow decline with incremental increases in misery and declines in living standards over many years.
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby Valdemar » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 13:09:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '
')The problem as I see it is, no one seems to have noticed.


I think the poor people in Africa that can no longer afford oil to cook and heat their homes will have noticed. The great deforestation of these countries has already begun.


Africa not being able to afford stuff ( not just oil ) is hardly a condition which started with Peak Oil 2 years ago. Neither is world wide deforestation.

Sounds pretty meek. Peak Oil happened and the devastation caused was so terrific that....some African bushmen spent their cash on new axes?


We're eating into our reserves and the top 5 producers are all now showing signs of increased domestic consumption and reduced exports, even going so far as to spend money on projects for refined product, rather than crude. Also, the riots in Pakistan and rolling blackouts in India and so on mean that the effects are moving up the ladder of development. Pretty soon, the effects will hit us harder than just higher petrol and diesel prices.

The calls for OPEC to open the taps before the summer is out are the first major signs that something is amiss here. The rapid price rises in the last few years were just primers as the plateaux begins to fail and turn into a slope.
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby joewp » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 13:32:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '
')The problem as I see it is, no one seems to have noticed.


I think the poor people in Africa that can no longer afford oil to cook and heat their homes will have noticed. The great deforestation of these countries has already begun.


Africa not being able to afford stuff ( not just oil ) is hardly a condition which started with Peak Oil 2 years ago. Neither is world wide deforestation.

Sounds pretty meek. Peak Oil happened and the devastation caused was so terrific that....some African bushmen spent their cash on new axes?


It must be nice to be rich and insulated from the effects of high energy prices. I know plenty of people right here in the USA that are suffering because gas and food are taking a much larger bite out of their budget than before. I know one guy who has to drive 160 miles round trip commute who's gas costs have gone from $30/week to over $60/week in the last two years. He's trying to sell his house and move closer to work, but his house isn't selling. I guess as long as you aren't feeling any effects, everything is okay and peak oil is "pretty meek".

One can only hope that by the time it hits you, the effects will be more severe, so you'll notice them. :roll:
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby Ayame » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 13:47:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', ' ')Sounds pretty meek. Peak Oil happened and the devastation caused was so terrific that....some African bushmen spent their cash on new axes?


No Einstein, they use wood to cook and heat with instead of kerosene when they can no longer afford it that's why deforestation speeds up. Sheesh.
High prices, declining purchasing power hit urban poor
I know it was an article from last year but highlights what is undoubtedly happening to the poor in Africa. I recognise that Africans have always been poor but with ever increasing oil prices those who could afford oil derived products in the past can't anymore.
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby DantesPeak » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 14:21:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Valdemar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '
')The problem as I see it is, no one seems to have noticed.


I think the poor people in Africa that can no longer afford oil to cook and heat their homes will have noticed. The great deforestation of these countries has already begun.


Africa not being able to afford stuff ( not just oil ) is hardly a condition which started with Peak Oil 2 years ago. Neither is world wide deforestation.

Sounds pretty meek. Peak Oil happened and the devastation caused was so terrific that....some African bushmen spent their cash on new axes?

We're eating into our reserves and the top 5 producers are all now showing signs of increased domestic consumption and reduced exports, even going so far as to spend money on projects for refined product, rather than crude. Also, the riots in Pakistan and rolling blackouts in India and so on mean that the effects are moving up the ladder of development. Pretty soon, the effects will hit us harder than just higher petrol and diesel prices.

The calls for OPEC to open the taps before the summer is out are the first major signs that something is amiss here. The rapid price rises in the last few years were just primers as the plateaux begins to fail and turn into a slope.


OCED industry crude and product reserves are less than last year. Eating into existing reserves is well underway - which will become abundently clear to most when first US gasoline stocks will prove to be inadequate, followed by diesel shortages this fall, and low heating oil supplies this winter.

In other words, demand hasn't yet adjusted to falling levels of supply - but it will before the end of 2007. OPEC will come up way short of its 'call', but I won't be surprised if the upcoming supply problems will be blamed on something other than OPEC.
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby PraiseDoom » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 16:45:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Windmills', '
')Doom, in a way, you make a point that coincides with what I am beginning to believe. I am beginning to doubt that there will be a TSHTF moment, but rather that the world will experience a long, slow decline with incremental increases in misery and declines in living standards over many years.


See, I worry about the decline of mankind being a long, slow grinding process. I have been all wound up and prepared for a nice, super fast, happening a year ago mega event, mad Max style.

If the decline is long and slow and tortorous, we won't get near the opportunity to use the neighbors we don't like as target practice as society collaspes in one, high speed spasm.
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby Twilight » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 16:54:43

The reserve replacement ratios of the international majors is one thing, but worldwide consumption has exceeded discovery every year since 1981. That's the more important date. I don't trust the international majors to be keeping a clean set of books any more than I trust OPEC, by the way.
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby PraiseDoom » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 16:59:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', ' ')Peak Oil happened and the devastation caused was so terrific that....some African bushmen spent their cash on new axes?


It must be nice to be rich and insulated from the effects of high energy prices.


What high prices? 1st) they aren't particularly high when compared to what I paid to fill up the Plymouth Fury during the 70's, and 2nd) who cares about the cost of gasoline if you don't use much?

Nothing to do with rich, just good choices. People who make bad ones get hammered every time, and not just by high gasoline prices.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '
')I know plenty of people right here in the USA that are suffering because gas and food are taking a much larger bite out of their budget than before. I know one guy who has to drive 160 miles round trip commute who's gas costs have gone from $30/week to over $60/week in the last two years. He's trying to sell his house and move closer to work, but his house isn't selling. I guess as long as you aren't feeling any effects, everything is okay and peak oil is "pretty meek".


Not planning ahead on increased commuting costs is not a peak oil problem, its a "stupid Americans don't understand the consequences of energy dependance on Arab dictatorships" problem.

Feel bad for guy? Sure. But don't think his bind is peak oils fault.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '
')One can only hope that by the time it hits you, the effects will be more severe, so you'll notice them. :roll:


I can walk to work. You don't have to include me on your list of "oh its awful we don't have price controls to save my buddy $30/week! because he didn't understand his commuting cost overhead when he bought his overpriced house in the suburbs which is so great he can't get any suckers to take it off his hands to save $10/week in gasoline!"
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby Ludi » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 17:40:59

So, are you saying, PraiseDoom, that the fact that the American way of life is dependent on cheap oil is "not a peak oil problem"?



So what would actually be a "peak oil problem" in your opinion?
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Postby PraiseDoom » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 19:40:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o, are you saying, PraiseDoom, that the fact that the American way of life is dependent on cheap oil is "not a peak oil problem"?



So what would actually be a "peak oil problem" in your opinion?


I guess I'm saying...what do you consider "cheap"? See...back in the bad ol' days when Colin wrote the Scientific American article and I first got excited, oil was maybe $10? Now its $70? Well...sounds to me like cheap oil is as gone as peak oil.

And so far, only the bushmen in Africa needing new axes are the ones noticing, mostly?

So if cheap is gone, and peak is gone, NOW what?
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby sameu » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 20:03:58

sit back and relax
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby Roccland » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 20:21:48

[quote="PraiseDoom"]

So if cheap is gone, and peak is gone, NOW what?[/quote]


We watched gold shoot to the moon as global economies collapse. Then I pay off my house with hyperinflated dollars.
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Re: World oil reserves used up faster than they're being fou

Postby joewp » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 20:35:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', ' ')Peak Oil happened and the devastation caused was so terrific that....some African bushmen spent their cash on new axes?


It must be nice to be rich and insulated from the effects of high energy prices.


What high prices? 1st) they aren't particularly high when compared to what I paid to fill up the Plymouth Fury during the 70's, and 2nd) who cares about the cost of gasoline if you don't use much?

Nothing to do with rich, just good choices. People who make bad ones get hammered every time, and not just by high gasoline prices.


What high prices? The ones we have now. Prices are very dependent on psychology. In 1997 gas was around $1.00 now it's triple, and people's incomes haven't kept pace with that.

If you make choices knowing that energy prices are going up, then you've already been affected by peak oil.
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')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '
')I know plenty of people right here in the USA that are suffering because gas and food are taking a much larger bite out of their budget than before. I know one guy who has to drive 160 miles round trip commute who's gas costs have gone from $30/week to over $60/week in the last two years. He's trying to sell his house and move closer to work, but his house isn't selling. I guess as long as you aren't feeling any effects, everything is okay and peak oil is "pretty meek".


Not planning ahead on increased commuting costs is not a peak oil problem, its a "stupid Americans don't understand the consequences of energy dependance on Arab dictatorships" problem.

Feel bad for guy? Sure. But don't think his bind is peak oils fault.


No, it's a "people continue doing what they're doing" problem. Energy prices rising at a faster rate than incomes is definitely peak oil's fault, assuming we have hit it, which each month lends more evidence to.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '
')One can only hope that by the time it hits you, the effects will be more severe, so you'll notice them. :roll:

I can walk to work. You don't have to include me on your list of "oh its awful we don't have price controls to save my buddy $30/week! because he didn't understand his commuting cost overhead when he bought his overpriced house in the suburbs which is so great he can't get any suckers to take it off his hands to save $10/week in gasoline!"

His house wasn't overpriced 15 years ago when he bought it, and the fact that his job moved an extra 60 miles from his house isn't exactly his fault.

And don't think your job is safe from peak oil's effects, sooner or later, whether you can walk to it or not.
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Postby Zardoz » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 21:18:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '.')..If the decline is long and slow and tortorous, we won't get near the opportunity to use the neighbors we don't like as target practice as society collapses in one, high speed spasm.

Yeah, that's right, JD. What a disappointment for you. Sounds like you were looking forward to it.
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Postby PraiseDoom » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 21:19:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '
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What high prices? 1st) they aren't particularly high when compared to what I paid to fill up the Plymouth Fury during the 70's, and 2nd) who cares about the cost of gasoline if you don't use much?

Nothing to do with rich, just good choices. People who make bad ones get hammered every time, and not just by high gasoline prices.


What high prices? The ones we have now. Prices are very dependent on psychology. In 1997 gas was around $1.00 now it's triple, and people's incomes haven't kept pace with that.


1997 was a fluke, prices were artificially low, and again, they aren't any higher today in real dollars than they were in the late 1970's. You can pick your timeframe reference, I can pick mine.

I was very irritated by those 1970's prices....I knew from that moment on that I had to be careful in the future to watch out for commuting costs and the things which people act like is this big terrible issue today, when its not.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '
')If you make choices knowing that energy prices are going up, then you've already been affected by peak oil.


So...when I traded the Plymouth Fury for the Honda Civic in the mid-80's, I was doing it back then because of PEAK OIL 25 YEARS AGO!!!!

Now that, sir, is a STUNNING relevation. I didn't even KNOW about Peak Oil back then, let alone that I would be effected by it 25 years before it even HAPPENED!!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '
')One can only hope that by the time it hits you, the effects will be more severe, so you'll notice them. :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '
')I can walk to work. You don't have to include me on your list of "oh its awful we don't have price controls to save my buddy $30/week! because he didn't understand his commuting cost overhead when he bought his overpriced house in the suburbs which is so great he can't get any suckers to take it off his hands to save $10/week in gasoline!"
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '
')His house wasn't overpriced 15 years ago when he bought it, and the fact that his job moved an extra 60 miles from his house isn't exactly his fault.


So after 15 years of appreciation in this wild housing market, he can't sell his house for more than he paid for it?? Now THAT is a relevation...but related to the housing market.

I am surprised that a modern homeowner can be broken by a $30/week increase in commuting costs....again...possible bad choices perhaps? Do you think that the modern American lives or dies by $30/week? I know I don't...do you?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', '
')And don't think your job is safe from peak oil's effects, sooner or later, whether you can walk to it or not.

Again, I have never assumed my job was safe, even if it is, relative to other peoples. But this is circular logic....jobs are crashing in a peak oil environment...which we've been in for 1 or 2 years....and....most of us still have our jobs.....but when we finally lose them....a decade or two from now...it will be because of peak oil, 12 years after the fact?

I don't know...seems like a tough case. I bought into the "crashing economies of the world" routine prior to peak, but now that we're here, it doesn't quite feel the way I thought it should.
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Postby PraiseDoom » Sun 24 Jun 2007, 21:21:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PraiseDoom', '.')..If the decline is long and slow and tortorous, we won't get near the opportunity to use the neighbors we don't like as target practice as society collapses in one, high speed spasm.

Yeah, that's right, PD. What a disappointment for you. Sounds like you were looking forward to it.


I was. Been waiting for about 2 years when I got serious about the bomb shelter.
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