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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 15:35:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')nybody but me see "blistered whippet" as a self righteous doofus? What is it with these corn-ball intellectual farts?


Thats really something coming from someone still pondering the "Con-un-dumbs" of Dan Brown's "DaVinci Code".

I admit this post was particularly rough. Its been a while since I fired up the ShitTalker 5000.

It could be distilled simply as: its not all it could be, far from what it should be, and much less interesting than other celebration/rituals.

I am friends with a couple groups of burners... they all want me to go but I am demurring. Inhaling that shit for a week would probably put me in the hospital or worse. And despite the "Green man" theme, nothing I've heard indicates a serious observance of that theme. Indeed, how could there be, in that environment?

I have witnessed the cultural pathways that led to the evolution of BM. I've always been disappointed in how dishonestly and inadequately burners and the event try to inspire a culture and feeling of the things it mimics. In the end, if its just about the meaninglessness of destruction, temporary creation, and tacked on themes, its shit. All that stuff can be found in regular day-to-day life. BM remains a refuge and vacation spot for the unimaginative.

I laugh at Burners who call it a "lifestyle". They are functionally the same as the New England Stuffinigtons who call their annual trip to a Miami beach a "lifestlye".

I think Carnival is a great contrast to such "lifestyles" in that it takes place organically, within everyday life. Mardi Gras was New Orleans. It permeated life there year-round. After BM, all thats left is a dust bowl and some souvenir photographs. In BM, there is only a pale imitation of the vital sex cult. MG or Carnival throb with lusty energy and sexuality. I find BM's wasteland schtick and trendy yuppie constituency conventional and boring. The image of the burners sitting around, watching the spectacle of the burning man signify the disconnected, lazy, overly cerebral mode that the industrial/rave culture has been stricken with for over a decade. Some bizarre sexual palsy overcame the flower children's kids and their flower culture became sexless and dull. I think its a fundamental disconnect from some earthy, vital existence.

The raver dancefloor is a weird group ritual that seems organized around principles of personal space and asocial experience. Even the English weren't ever so stuffed-up and repressed. It might have something to do with nerdifaction- the effect of StarWars collecting, web-programming, socially retarded post adolescents finding their first tentative pathway into a larger social sphere, by means of a ladder between an internal, private arena of complete fantasy to a more semi-public fantasy arena, complete with a a safe, stoic sexuality abstracted into fetishized objects and style, a reverence for artifacts of consumer and pop culture, and a logic-circuit mediated bassline and drumbeat.

Re localized, revitalized, earthy "joie de vive" is what we need. Barring that in a stifling mother-culture, we have to settle for playing "Wasteland" in a fucking shit-hole at a premium price. If any of the "Burners" were so creative they would have stimulated something more anarchic and revolutionary than invite-only DJ and BBQ events.

The fact is, these are the Neuvo-Bourgeois enjoying getting smashed on the deck of the Titanic. A rudderless sense of life and aesthetics.

To be frank, many of my burner friends are burn-outs. Bukowski would be proud. There is a certain Nihilism that is at least consistent with the theme of extravagant waste. So I don't think it is dishonest. I just think its tragic, embracing such a self-denying and self-damaging aesthetic. But you have to respect the will to misery by way of the pleasure principle. There is freedom in abandoning responsibility the midst of cultural and environmental degradation. In a sense they adopt and affirm the "burning man" as life metaphor. They are there celebrating a certain queer sense of their own useless, transitory value. They acknowledge a sort of quid pro quo in giving in to throwaway culture by making themselves disposable. The ultimate recyclers.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 15:40:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')Actually I was thinking that's the most insightful post I've read in a long time.
Your admonition regarding the putative sagacity of the missive of our afflicted canine philosopher, combined with admitted factor of my consumption of a pint of the distilled spirits of the humble potato, have led to the conclusion that I should doubtless reread the aforesaid missive.

(btw, I'm watching the newly released Deadwood season 3. I love the way they do that 19th Century linguistic thing, and that makes me want to talk that way too!)
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 15:41:42

I'll come back to all of this later and offer my considered opinion. :-D
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby TWilliam » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 17:11:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'S')ome bizarre sexual palsy overcame the flower children's kids


Yea, I believe it was called AIDS...
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 18:34:13

How am I going to do this? My son who is graduating from high school and has his 18th birthday coming up is offered a trip to Germany and hiking in the Alps but he needs money. I have been offered 6 thousand dollars to teach a bunch of cretins who have opted out of learning anything for summer school. I will do it. Maybe I can inspire some kids to learn, but if nothing else, I'll get the money for my son.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 20 Jun 2007, 22:27:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')nybody but me see "blistered whippet" as a self righteous doofus? What is it with these corn-ball intellectual farts?


I think it's a great post!!

He attributed the "green man" quote to me, that was someone else, easy mistake, I'm not that "up" on green man actually, I think that was from someone who's been there.

Keep up the good work Whippet. :)
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 00:28:24

Yeah! Blistered Whippet is the boss! Meanwhile, of the 6 grand, 4 go to my bills, 1 goes my son and 1 goes to the Mormon project of stocking up on food.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 00:40:11

So PMS you're a Mormon now?
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 00:55:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'S')o PMS you're a Mormon now?
heh heh, no. I read those weird tablets that Joseph Smith got from god. No, I'm just jazzed that I have the money now to help my son. I know he's going to suffer, but not yet. Some good times still await.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 01:16:44

Cool that you'll get to help your son. My parents could not afford to help us at all. Some good times still do remain.......
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 20:39:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
')He attributed the "green man" quote to me, that was someone else, easy mistake, I'm not that "up" on green man actually, I think that was from someone who's been there.

Keep up the good work Whippet. :)


Thanks.

The "Green Man" Schtick is heresay. I only heard it from my ostensibly well-informed Burner friends. Of course, my other burner friends did not mention it. Neither group is designing an installation particularly energy efficient or aware. But there are differences.

One installation will use a massive amount of energy and one will only use a massive amount of energy getting there and setting up. The former, a massive geodesic dome covered in bubble Mylar housing a powered DJ set and dancefloor and cooled with an industrial strength air conditioner, powered by gas generators. The latter will be welding together a massive suspension skeleton for hammocks.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that no one really knows what BM is "about". Mardi Gras was beyond theme. "Mardi Gras" was itself a theme for other events. But whatever.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby gw » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 21:36:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'T')he "Green Man" Schtick is heresay. I only heard it from my ostensibly well-informed Burner friends.

The green man theme is on the main page of the "official" burning man website:
Burning Man's Art Theme for 2007 is "The Green Man."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y embracing alternative energy and earth-friendly technologies, we will create a Black Rock City that leaves less of an impact on its environment--while also taking these principles out of the desert and back with us to our local communities.


Good luck. It was also mentioned earlier that the "Man" burned at the end of the event is constructed entirely from wood. This is not true. The "Man" contains about 300 pounds of paraffin wax - a petroleum-derived accelerant.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e are determined to promote and continue to support the Leave No Trace principles, the use of renewable energy, the use of non-fossil fuels, recycling valuable reusable materials, and composting organic waste materials when ever possible.


Personally, I think it was a mistake to attempt to characterize burning man as "green". Most people that attend burning man don't give a rat's ass about these lofty ideals.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby NWMossBack » Thu 28 Jun 2007, 03:05:48

All these opinions, yet not a single one from anyone who has actually been to the fucking thing!

Blistered Whippet totally nailed one aspect of it: it's a "Its a bacchanalian, neo-pagan festival/orgy". It's the largest party on the planet. But that is only the most visible, photogenic, and surreal aspect. It started as a small arts festival, and retains some tiny vestiges of that original purpose. Forget the supposed "Green Man" theme, nobody pays attention to that crap. There are practically as many themes as there are attendees. It is about "radical self expression." If it's not your bag, stay away. If you do go, I can't stress this enough: you must participate in some way. How you choose to participate is entirely up to you. BW could set up a little booth for instance, with a sign that reads "The Philosopher is In", and he could dispense sage advice to the lost children of a doomed culture or whatever.

You can break down burners into 5 major groups: ravers (20%), stoners & hardcore partyers (20%), hippies (10%), artists & miscellaneous weirdos (10%), tourists & spectators (40%). Some choose to insulate themselves from the stark realities of the desert in their massive RV's. Others build yurts, domes, lean-tos, pup tents, every conceivable shelter, decorated as imaginatively or as artlessly as you can imagine.

NOBODY can possibly wander around in need of shelter, water or food, unless they are a total dick. You can't walk 30 minutes without someone offering you water, alcohol, or ganja. The people around me shared everything. I had the best shade structure in the immediate area, plus the most beer. Someone else had way better food. Someone else brought costumes & face paint. Someone else brought a guitar. The best part for me was creating a little community out of a bunch of strangers. Our neighbors with the RV and the noisy little generator missed out on all that.

Are you afraid of people who don't think like you? Are you repulsed by nudity? Can't handle daily dust storms? Stay away. If you enjoy art, interesting and/or weird people, or just like to party and wish to experience the most bizarre nighttime display of neon & pyrotechnics I have ever witnessed, then you MUST go to this thing at least once in your life.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 28 Jun 2007, 03:29:06

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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby NWMossBack » Thu 28 Jun 2007, 10:47:35

OMG! They expected him to help with cooking and cleaning in his camp? The horror!!!

If the dufus walked around with his aggrieved sense of entitlement pinned to his sleeve I guess he would have a rough time cadging a meal. Did the whiney overweight nincompoop have no skills or talents at all? He left this out of his sad tale of deprivation, but there is a barter economy of sorts there.

Here's how it could have worked: a Lebanese guy showed up near my camp with nothing but his car, some bottled water and snacks like jerky & nuts. We fed him some real food, gave him a few beers, and I let him sleep in my shade structure during the day while I explored. In exchange he brought his gregarious nature, his views on the Lebanese revolution, life in Beirut before it went to hell, and his perspectives on the US and the Iraq war. Also he would tell a few stories about his nocturnal exploits at Burning Man, but mostly I have no idea what he did all night, every night. "What happens on the playa, stays on the playa" as they say.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 28 Jun 2007, 12:17:01

Look people, just read the link. BM is not perfect. I find the writer of the article more believable than the odd starry-eyed Burner who probably flew in first class on his mom's mastercard.

I think BM CAN be a blast - a lot of things in our oil-rich society are a blast. Sustainable, no, but a blast.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 18:02:31

But the environment is a shithole. I'm not attending, primarily because I don't want some sort of pulmonary disease later in life. Thats not my idea of funsies.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 20:02:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'B')ut the environment is a shithole. I'm not attending, primarily because I don't want some sort of pulmonary disease later in life. Thats not my idea of funsies.


Rainbow Family gatherings, the smaller ones, could be a lot more fun.

Graeme Obree writes in his book about the old-time British cycle touring culture, where there were hostels open to cyclists out in these boondocky places, and you'd ride there, hang out, socialize, ride home, and that was your weekend. A total get-away from mundane life, and nothing really to stop you taking a month off that way or longer.

Even though he talks about the 1980s, Scotland was still apparently refreshingly quaint, and did not believe in the 24/7 workaholic culture the US is leading the rest of the world into.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby gw » Fri 07 Sep 2007, 13:07:45

Some observations about the event this year:

Somebody torched the man early Monday morning, 5 days before the official burn event. The alleged arsonist claimed the event had lost an element of spontaneity.

Most people were on drugs, and in particular, hallucinogenics. I was told by several people that I would understand burning man better if I was on drugs too.

The theme was "green man" but only 20 people showed up to a talk on climate change by one of Al Gore's associates. This goes to the point that people don't give a shit about themes or "radical self-expression" at burning man and go mostly to party.

After a few days I had seen enough and left early. This thing is basically a drugged-out party scene with some false pretensions about art and environmental themes.
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Re: Burning Man!!!

Unread postby jboogy » Fri 07 Sep 2007, 15:21:41

I like to party and burn shit , I also like AC and soft beds , refrigerators , internet , TV , showering occassionally , stoves and microzapper , kissing booboo kitty and my kids , I don't like BO , people I don't know trying to hug me and/or tell me they love me , people asking me to feed them or spot them a beer , weird art that has to be explained to me , chicks with leg hair , all in all not my cup o' tea. But hey , as long as they dig it so what ? Party on !
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