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Do you want peak oil and why?

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Do you want peak oil to come?

Yes
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No
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Total votes : 37

Re: Do you want peak oil and why?

Unread postby caliginousface » Sat 09 Jun 2007, 01:05:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chris25', 'D')o you want peak oil and why? Heres mine- YES Why? Because the modern world (apart from in terms of health care and amenities) is such a disgusting, complicated, stress-filled, pointless chore. Commuting every day to a pointless place to do something pointless which man has never done through his entire history until 40 years ago. --snip-- Tradition and culture is thrown out the winter and replaced with greed and a globalized "flat" culture.
:( Good post.
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Re: Do you want peak oil and why?

Unread postby DoubleD » Sat 09 Jun 2007, 12:27:22

The current population and population growth trend is not sustainable. There are only so many resources (not talking just oil here) to support life. The current bloom is a direct consequence of oil and it is inevitable that the peak and reduction will occur. The longer it is postponed - the more the population will have increased and the more who will suffer.

Do I want it to happen. No.

But the truth is it MUST happen and I would prefer sooner rather than later to reduce the overall level of suffering and I hope it actually is accomplished in a manner that either get's it over with in a hurry OR is a controlled ramp down that (again) minimizes the suffering along the way. It's not doomer - it's just realistic and actually (in my opinion) a little more compassionate than clinging to our current expectations and dooming ever more others to a horrible fate - just so "we" can keep living high on the hog for a few more years.

But what I want and what will happen are not likely to be the same.

Such is life.
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Re: Do you want peak oil and why?

Unread postby roccman » Sat 09 Jun 2007, 12:31:21

Metro??
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Re: Do you want peak oil and why?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 09 Jun 2007, 13:00:21

I dont mind PO coming.
If one allows wider considerations, PO and peak FF will be actually beneficial to humanity in longer run.
I wonder, how our atmosphere would look like after further 200 years of exponential growth, if FF resources were so large, that one could assume them unlimited for all practical purpose.

Overally it is important to terminate perpetual growth economy and ensure population collapse to sustainable levels.
That is to prevent future disasters of far larger magnitude, if other than PO limiting factors (say rampant GW delivering 30*C temperature increase) would have to come to play to end the party.

Overally there are both designed of defaulted ways to end up the party.

The only designed way, which has any realistic chance of implementation is full scale atomic war.

PO offers defaulted way of necessary collapse and IMO it is preferable solution, if atomic war is considered as alternative.
I believe, that PO supported by other defaults delivered by Nature is the optimal way to put humanity on the right track again.

Would I miss our way of life (assuming I survive initial turmoil)?
Probably not much, may be few little pleasures would be missed and some fucks would be thrown at necessity of less comfortable life, but not much more than that.
Consumerist culture is something, what I would certainly not miss.
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Re: Do you want peak oil and why?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 09 Jun 2007, 14:16:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plains', 'S')ocial pressure, general impossibility within a nation-state (that is everywhere), and lack of support or connexions, all of which should lessen as problems over time.
Yeah, but, I kind of think it might be a good idea to be working to get something in place before everything goes "floooie." There's lots of folks out there working on different ways to live. I don't see why doing your own thing is considered "impossible" in a nation-state, it's not like you'd be staging a big flamboyant rebellion or pulling a Waco or something. "Social pressure" eh, I wouldn't know about that one.
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