[Chris25]

Do you want peak oil and why?

Heres mine- YES

Why?

Because the modern world (apart from in terms of health care and amenities) is such a disgusting, complicated, stress-filled, pointless chore. Commuting every day to a pointless place to do something pointless which man has never done through his entire history until 40 years ago. Telephones,concrete, mobile phones, even computers (apart from the internet), widescreen TV's and computer games are all part of the fabric of modern living and take us away from the things that are truely beautiful- real nature you can touch, feel and smeel. Singing and dancing with a crowd of local freinds and family. Self satisfication- growing food from seed can be quite honestly the most satisfying thing man can do and modern life also takes us away from the beauty of our families and loved ones.

Also modern culture is revolting. R&B hip hop gansta rubbish has replaced pure music, with lyrics from the heart.
Everyone is obsessed with celebrities and themselves.
Tradition and culture is thrown out the winter and replaced with greed and a globalized "flat" culture.

[roccman]

It's time to wipe this slate clean!!!

The human project is OVER.

We have zero redeeming qualities.

Bring it!!!!!

[undertaker]

Yep, bring it on. From my favorite novel, the Secret Agent, by Joseph Conrad:

He has divided his biography into three parts, entitled 'Faith, Hope, Charity'. He is elaborating now the idea of a world planned out like an immense and nice hospital, with gardens and flowers, in which the strong are to devote them+selves to the nursing of the weak."

The Professor paused.

"Conceive you this folly, Ossipon? The weak! The source of all evil on this earth!" he continued with his grim assurance. "I told him that I dreamt of a world like shambles, where the weak would be taken in hand for utter extermination.

"Do you understand, Ossipon? The source of all evil! They are our sinister masters--the weak, the flabby, the silly, the cowardly, the faint of heart, and the slavish of mind. They have power. They are the multitude. Theirs is the kingdom of the earth. Exterminate, exterminate! That is the only way of progress. It is!

[Ludi]

Nope.


I "want" people to decide a different way to live would be better, and go do that instead of what we're doing.


But what I "want" is irrelevant.

[dissimulo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chris25', '
')Heres mine- YES

Why?

Because the modern world (apart from in terms of health care and amenities) is such a disgusting, complicated, stress-filled, pointless chore.

[Plains]

I want to see it all go. The deconstruction will be sublime, as will I suspect the aftermath, if one has the opportunity to live that long.

[Bas]

I voted yes for pretty much the same reasons as you Chris; we can't go on like this with the world even if we had a thousand year supply of oil.

Problem is, it's going to be a long and rocky road down to some point where we find a new equilibrium that probably will be much more in balance with nature, more balanced spiritualistically and what not. Also, none of us will see that new world as it will only turn into that a long long time from now, and we probably wouldn't even know how to appreciate it with are oil-spoiled asses anyway.

[underdressed]

No.

Emphatically -- NO!

The idea that we'll have some post-peak, post-dieoff utopia is ludicrous. We, as a species, couldn't interact well when we had abundant resources. With depleting resources we won't instantly wise up and realize our mistakes like some cut-rate Hollywood screen dream.

We're headed for the hard road and I would much prefer it weren't happening.

Despite our horrendous history, we have made some amazing progress in our time of luxury. The end of cheap energy will cut that progress back a few decades -- if not centuries. This era will be the new "Atlantis" because the current first world lifestyle wont be seen, again, for a very, very long time; If ever.

[lotrfan55345]

Em, no. Why would you want that?
Yes, our culture is messed up, but if enough people think that, it will change.

I'd prefer to keep my current lifestyle as opposed to a feudal, agrarian 'living' with no hope of a future and no chance to express any semblance of free thought - just like old Europe. Honestly, our 'culture' now was 100x better than it was in the middle-ages, at least now we can go on the street or on the internet and express ourselves and look at what we want (mostly) without getting stoned by religious extremists. Actually, we would have to follow strict Christian dogma and have a traditional modern day Saudi Arabian-esque religious routine except with god, not Allah. You'd have to be completely fucked to WANT peak oil, unless you have a technological solution to maintain our general standard of living.

[Plains]

Well some of us are just planning to ditch civilization, so there isn't this terrible dark ages thing to worry about (not that feudal or manorialism would necessarily even be something that came about if civilization survived or restarted in pockets--it's just all people think about).

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('underdressed', ' ') We, as a species, couldn't interact well when we had abundant resources.

[Madpaddy]

No,

I'ld like to think the threat of global warming would be enough for us to mend our ways without peakoil forcing us to mend our ways.

I'ld have said yes if this was 80 years ago and electricity was still almost unheard of in my country but it's no coincidence that Murphy's law was named after the most common Irish surname.

We arrived late to the party, (drunk of course), brought nothing and are going to cause the greatest fuss when we are thrown out.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chris25', '
')Why?

Because the modern world (apart from in terms of health care and amenities) is such a disgusting, complicated, stress-filled, pointless chore. Commuting every day to a pointless place to do something pointless which man has never done through his entire history until 40 years ago. Telephones,concrete, mobile phones, even computers (apart from the internet), widescreen TV's and computer games are all part of the fabric of modern living and take us away from the things that are truely beautiful- real nature you can touch, feel and smeel. Singing and dancing with a crowd of local freinds and family. Self satisfication- growing food from seed can be quite honestly the most satisfying thing man can do and modern life also takes us away from the beauty of our families and loved ones.

Also modern culture is revolting. R&B hip hop gansta rubbish has replaced pure music, with lyrics from the heart.
Everyone is obsessed with celebrities and themselves.
Tradition and culture is thrown out the winter and replaced with greed and a globalized "flat" culture.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'a')s opposed to a feudal, agrarian 'living' with no hope of a future and no chance to express any semblance of free thought -

[LateGreatPlanetEarth]

not a matter of wanting or not. societal excesses are periodically purged out with economic super wave cycles. look like peak oil will be the catalysis for the next. kondratieff recognized this cycle (brilliant guy and punished for it).
http://www.kwaves.com/kond_overview.htm

[underdressed]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('underdressed', ' ') We, as a species, couldn't interact well when we had abundant resources.

[lotrfan55345]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'a')s opposed to a feudal, agrarian 'living' with no hope of a future and no chance to express any semblance of free thought -

[Plains]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('underdressed', ' ') We, as a species, couldn't interact well when we had abundant resources.

[UFCjunkie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ey y'all who are planning to "ditch civilization" why not just do it now, why wait?