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Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 03 Jun 2007, 13:26:54

Yes, current labour government is planning such a thing.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n16354103
So you unlukcy souls will have to pay more Council Tax, if you indulge in excessive gardening activities.
No tax free meal in post peak world, and if you dont pay, your chickens and cabbage will be taken away...
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby Twilight » Sun 03 Jun 2007, 16:54:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The Independent', 'M')inisters have admitted that features such as a fish pond, an animal hutch or an "attractive flower arrangement" will be considered by inspectors as-sesing how much council tax households should pay.

Further evidence they are going insane through lack of anything useful to do around the office. But since this was a year ago, there is hope sanity prevailed and they dropped the stupid idea. I'd like to see what the point is going to be once house valuations fall through the floor and start tunneling as people's finances collapse under the burden of debt.
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby Twilight » Sun 03 Jun 2007, 17:06:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('purcatty', 'M')akes total sense. The community leaders are not ignorant.
When they need more food they want to know where to get it.

It makes no sense in the UK where the leadership is not peak aware.
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby gg3 » Mon 04 Jun 2007, 10:14:29

Sorry to say this, but England has been going to hell in a handbasket for a while now. De-industrialization under Mad Cow Maggie, unrestrained Middle Eastern immigration, surveillance cameras up everyone's arse in London, and now this. A nation that Americans looked up to, turning into something that looks more and more like a looming dystopia.

I have to wonder, is this a case of people getting the government they deserve? or is this government going out of control?

How are the voters supposed to fix this one?

And, any chance that Prince Charles, when he becomes the next King of England, will be able to use his cultural authority to persuade the government to replace the garden tax with a carbon tax?
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby Grifter » Mon 04 Jun 2007, 10:32:45

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I have to wonder, is this a case of people getting the government they deserve? or is this government going out of control?


We got the government Rupert Murdoch deserves, being the purvayor of all that is honest and balanced.

Yeah ok, we buy his shit, we get whats commin to us.
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby Twilight » Mon 04 Jun 2007, 15:32:06

There are people interested in all sorts of contingencies, most of which remain intellectual exercises. They are far removed from politicians and their staffers however, who all wear the bovine expressions of the common man or woman. What may at first glance appear to be evidence of malvolent intent, is most likely the musings of someone who does not realise the potential significance of their work. All that emerges later, when a completely different type of person populates the system. The UK is not there yet by a long margin.
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 04 Jun 2007, 17:47:04

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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby Kylon » Mon 04 Jun 2007, 19:58:46

Glad I'm not British!

You know how to guerilla garden? You simply plant plants that are edible and full of nutrition (like dandelions) but are widely known to be foods.

Plant them all over the place where the government doesn't cultivate, and boom, you've got yourself a food supply the government can't tax.

If the government does demand to tax the gardening, then they only have dandelions to tax, or plantain, which in turn doesn't sell well, and there isn't an established market for. So in turn, it becomes more expensive to try to tax you than to not tax you.

Furthermore, plants like dandelion and the such can grow like weeds, because they are weeds, and so you don't need to do as much cultivation. You just plant and leave.

That's my strategy for guerilla gardening. Join me next time for how to sabotage your neighbor's underwear, and leave him with a cheap itch which will take weeks to get rid of.
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby deMolay » Mon 04 Jun 2007, 22:39:57

In the days of the Feudal Lords the Serfs paid an average of 10% of their anual income in taxes to the Lord. How much do we pay today? Is it not long past time for a revolt?
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 05 Jun 2007, 13:17:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'I')n the days of the Feudal Lords the Serfs paid an average of 10% of their anual income in taxes to the Lord. How much do we pay today? Is it not long past time for a revolt?


I believe that when you total up all the direct and indirect taxes that you end up somewhere near 50%. Bring back the Feudal Lords! They were less greedy.
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby dissimulo » Tue 05 Jun 2007, 19:37:44

In most of the US, this is how property assessments are already done.

It is not a tax on gardens - it is valuation of the property based on the whole picture - including the yard.

So, if you have a garden, but you make sure it looks like hell (which is not hard to do) it probably won't increase your assessed value. Just stick compost piles here and there, buckets full of dead weeds, piles of corn stalks, bean bushes gone to seed, etc.

You can produce food and a godawful mess at the same time.

A rusty, wrecked car with the top cut off, used as a potato planter would add just the perfect touch.

My property is nice inside, but looks like crap from anywhere the assessor can see. There is no reason to volunteer to pay more tax.
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Re: Garden Tax in the UK.

Unread postby mlit » Tue 05 Jun 2007, 20:22:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')rusty, wrecked car with the top cut off, used as a potato planter would add just the perfect touch.


Yes, if you have a nice sized yard and you don't have some ugly crap laying around you are just asking for the tax man to take a little more.
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