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"A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash"---was it right?

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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby Ayame » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 13:43:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'N')ote that I've alerted them to your illegal downloading and this discussion thread as well.

Oh no! You are a pirate!
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby idomar » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 14:00:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'I') had a lengthy discussion with some people at the The Oil Drum over how damaging this sort of thing is. Relevant discussion starts here: -snip-
Note that I've alerted them to your illegal downloading and this discussion thread as well.

I have an idea, give everyone on this site a free copy of the DVD, or let them download it for free and get them to shamelessly shill the DVD to eveyone that they know! solves the copyright problem AND increases sales. What would be the total cost of say 1000 downloads $24,950.not a massive amount in the overall scheme of things.

I thought that the point of this film was to educate, if so then educate, the last time that i checked, education was free, at least in the UK. Although, if any of the things that are predicted by this site come true in the near future, the likelyhood of many new films being made are slim.

p,s, when is the film being released in the UK and Europe as i really want to see it.
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Re: Using Bit Torrent

Unread postby Ebyss » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 14:10:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')the last time that i checked, education was free, at least in the UK.

Last time I checked, taxpayers paid for it - so no, it ain't free. And you must be rolling in it to be able to scoff at $24,000 dollars, which is a lot of money to many people. Fancy buying me a copy of the film?
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Re: Using Bit Torrent

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 20:21:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'I')t's wrong to pirate this movie, given that it's not free to distribute.

It's wrong to make a movie that is this important and not freely distribute it.


How would they recoup the costs it took to make it? Three years of flying all over the world and busting their hump . . . demand that this sort of thing get done for free means it won't get done.
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Re: Using Bit Torrent

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 27 Apr 2007, 21:14:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', 'I')t's wrong to pirate this movie, given that it's not free to distribute. It's wrong to make a movie that is this important and not freely distribute it.

How would they recoup the costs it took to make it? Three years of flying all over the world and busting their hump . . . demand that this sort of thing get done for free means it won't get done.

Moral suasion don't do shit against the reality of these kinds of vids being so freely available.

I have noticed that some videos are consistently harder to get than others though - as though the producers are actively yanking the download links. Most of those torrent sites will disable links if asked to.
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 17:57:35

Just finished a second viewing of "Crude Awakening."

It holds up, sort of [I have changed my mind]

The concensus around the room was that this film is too confusing for the uninitiated. The "initiated" see it as retreading the same ground as End of Suburbia.

Crude Awakening, while far superior to "Crude Impact," doesn't have the panache of End of Suburbia. The pacing is sluggish. There is no narrative framework: it's easy to get lost in facts and figures and to wonder, "where are we in the story"? Barrie Zwicker's narration in EOS really brought it all together.

The subtitles are simply unreadable.

There are some parts that are so close to EOS as to seem like plagiarism: Matt Simmons' comments, Colin Campbell's comments, the archival footage used humorously, the prospects for suburbia--all seem completely derivative.

There are parts of this film I really like and will show parts to my class. As a whole, however, it's just not worth the 1-1/2 hours of class time.

For the record, I paid the full $40 for the DVD.
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 19:30:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'J')ust finished a second viewing of "Crude Awakening."

It doesn't hold up, I'm sorry to say.

The concensus around the room was that this film is too confusing for the uninitiated. The "initiated" see it as retreading the same ground as End of Suburbia.

Crude Awakening, while far superior to "Crude Impact," doesn't have the panache of End of Suburbia. The pacing is sluggish. There is no narrative framework: it's easy to get lost in facts and figures and to wonder, "where are we in the story"? Barrie Zwicker's narration in EOS really brought it all together.

The subtitles are simply unreadable.

There are some parts that are so close to EOS as to seem like plagiarism: Matt Simmons' comments, Colin Campbell's comments, the archival footage used humorously, the prospects for suburbia--all seem completely derivative.

There are parts of this film I really like and will show parts to my class. As a whole, however, it's just not worth the 1-1/2 hours of class time.

For the record, I paid the full $40 for the DVD.


If you bought if from LATOC, send it back and you'll get your money back.
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 19:35:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', ' ')One minor point; in future shoots, background clutter (boxes, etc) could distract people's attention away from concentrating on you and what you have to say.


That was their idea. I though it was stupid at the time but my thinking was "hey you guys are the professionals"
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 28 Apr 2007, 20:28:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you bought if from LATOC, send it back and you'll get your money back.


I did, but I will be showing parts of it to class. I'm not totally dissatisfied as I was with "Crude Impact." I just don't think it's as good as EOS.
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby killJOY » Wed 02 May 2007, 17:49:09

Im liking this a little more. (why cant I use apostrophes here, by the way???)

Ive just showed it to my class--their sayonara for the semester.

Crude Awakening is more effective on a bigger screen with a better sound system. The DVD players in the classroom are pretty good, and you can project a pretty big picture on the screen.

The DVD allows me to show an edited version: I cut out three of the "chapters" and made a pretty good 1hr 5min movie out of it for class time.

You could hear a pin drop. Its effective for those who are familiar with the issue, such as my students, who have been studying peak oil for three weeks (if theyve been doing their work!).

One of my students really liked the music. I didnt notice the music much while watching on my computer, but in the classroom it really filled some of the scenes with tension
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 04 May 2007, 17:25:21

Netflix delievered it this week and I watched it last night. It's definitely heavier handed than End of Suburbia but gets right to the point.

Good work.
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby Veritas » Mon 07 May 2007, 13:18:24

I saw this on the documentary channel a few weeks ago and convinced my girlfriend to watch it with me.

For me it was mostly stuff I already knew, and seemed kind of light on the details I was hoping for (was hoping to see some "irrefutable" type of evidence).

On the whole we both agreed it was a pretty bad film. It's soooo slow, there is no narrator (huge problem), and the splicing in of old oil-ads from the 1950s gets tedious after about the first 5 times they do it.

I guess I just imagined it being a lot more professional and coherent, perhaps being a touchstone for the issue of peak oil. I really think not having a narrator and the overuse of 1950s images killed the film.
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Tue 08 May 2007, 00:46:03

I Netflixed it and thought it was good and basic. My original idea was to push it to friends and family since I knew I'd know most of the stuff in it. Unfortunately whenever I mention anything related to oil to friends and family they give me the "Not that Peak Oil Doomer Stuff again" look. So I just shipped it back without sharing...

Needs more action…to soften the blow...
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby nella » Sun 13 May 2007, 09:01:18

I happened upon it quite by accident, watching the sundance channel one sleepness night.
I really didn't know anything about PO. Thought it was far enough away in the future that I wouldn't see it in my lifetime.
I thought the information was presented and laid out in a very clear fashion. Factual.
The men talking on the film seemed a cross section and between them all, very believable.
So I had a very strong reaction. Horror.
Since watching, I've looked around on the web, doing alot of reading and accessing my own situation. Still in that process.
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 21 May 2007, 02:04:55

when the darn blockbuster will get this movie?
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby katkinkate » Mon 21 May 2007, 17:48:08

They are showing it on ABC (Australia) later this week (24th I think) and have been pushing it pretty heavily on Radio National since the Science Show on Saturday. The Science Show had a long (20 minutes or so) interview with the maker of the documentary. I think Robyn Williams (the boss of the Science Unit at Radio National) is a closet peaknic. I wouldn't be surprised if he's lurking around here.
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby roccman » Mon 21 May 2007, 17:54:11

Excellent!!

Mo' exposure to get folk excited about this stuff!!!
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby oowolf » Fri 01 Jun 2007, 18:23:58

I showed this to some folks who have heard nothing about PO except comments from me. While it seems slow to "US", remember, this information takes a while to "sink in". The viewers picked up on these points:
Oil takes millions of years to create.
Oil reserves "run dry".
Despite intensive effort, no major reserves have been found in decades.
Damn near everything in our civilization is made of, or is dependent on, fossil fuel.
This is a recipe for disaster.

When I told them we're only one hurricane away from $5/gal gas, nobody dared to disagree!
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sat 18 Aug 2007, 23:02:31

I just bought this today and watched it for the first time and I have to say it I was somewhat disappointed.

Disappointed because the movie is almost more of a movie about politics than it is about oil.

With the exceptions of M. King Hubbert and Matthew Simmons all of the spokesmen and women came off as having a radical far left political agenda.

My favorite scene of the film was scene 3 called "From Boom To Bust." It showed the actual real world societal and environmental effects of peak oil on three different cities, Baku Azerbaijan, Maracaibo Venezuela, and McCamey Texas. Baku looks like a scene from Road Warrior. Maracaibo looks like a scene from Waterworld. Very scary.

The worst scene is scene 4 directly after that called "A Magnet For War." They found a retarded political science professor who claims that genocide, rape jihad, and forced clitorectomy in Darfur Sudan are caused by oil in the southern part of the country. Obviously they have good dope out there in Stanford. And then they get the former Iraqi oil minister to claim that the Palestinian conflict is over oil LMAO.
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Re: A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash

Unread postby waegari » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 05:54:27

Saw it at Belgian national television last night.

A national television station broadcasting it is a plus in se.

Other than that: quite an excellent movie for the uniniated. Though for fairness's sake, some more attention to the Yergin faction might have made it more balanced, without relinquishing the general argument.
The well known cornucopian quote 'the Stone Age didn't end, because we ran out of stones' thereby also sounded a bit void, when refered to as object of criticism.
Though a reference to Sheik Yamani's first use of this simile may have been in the first three or four minutes: I don't know, I missed those.

Impressive indeed the section about abandoned oil fields.
Matt's Pluto remark is equally invaluable.

I do hope that uniniated viewers towards the end have retained those images about the way oil is in anything we do, as shown in the first half hour or so. Though, then again, who would forget the girl at her dressing table? Great choice.

In all, I wonder whether any more PO.com guests have showed up from Belgium or the Netherlands today. Aaron might know. However, if so, it's thanks to this Crude Awakening airing.
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