[Evltre]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ' ')Again, keep reading and posting and try to ignore the more caustic remarks.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', ' ')As for MQ, he wrote:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')As building contractor, I can tell you it came from people building swingsets in their backyards that weren't safe. Building permits exist for two main reasons; safety and uniform construction standards.

[UncoveringTruths]

Who's going to be the post peak building inspector?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Evltre', ' ')what a terrible attitude - not everyone is an expert on research techniques

[Evltre]

MQ, the first person to respond did a great job of pointing those things out without being so hostile. Was it really necessary to add your 2c worth in when some one had already done a good job of it, in a friendly and polite way?

[threadbear]

Speaking of permits. A couple of years back when I lived in Washington state, I rescued a baby crow. When I phoned the fish and wildlife people to try to find out where I should take it, or at least what I should feed it, they were really silly. There only concern seemed to be that I didn't have a permit to keep a crow!! As if I wanted to keep it. It pooped everywhere!

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Evltre', 'M')Q, the first person to respond did a great job of pointing those things out without being so hostile. Was it really necessary to add your 2c worth in when some one had already done a good job of it, in a friendly and polite way?

[mkwin]

People are pessimistic because they believe people won't be motivated to change and we're going to fall of a cliff.

Its obvious government will take the lead and correct the markets failure to provide an energy system. Executive powers will be passed to secure all the reserves the government needs for core activities including the establishment of the energy bridge system.

This type of government lead action is being demonstrated in a minor way in the UK recently. The government has announced plans to fast track large infrastructure projects through the planning (zoning) process thereby stopping objections to the projects. At the same time it announced a new generation of nuclear plants.

I've been anticipating the peak for a number of years and I’ve watch oil prices rise from less than $30 a barrel to nearly $70 with little or no impact on global growth. Doesn't it seem as oils ability to slow the global economy has weakened due to the deflationary effect of globalization? Doesn't this 'buy' us some time before we descend into acute stagflation?

“Seriously, MQ hit it - you haven't read this site well enough or thouroughly enough if you still are clinging to the false hopes listed in your first post.”

False hopes? I’m not talking about Nuclear Fusion or some great technical advancement of fuel cell technology. In the worst case I’m talking about burning coal and gas of which we (UK) have an abundant supply. In the case of gas, from Norway, Russia and the North Sea all delivered by pipeline.

The bottom line is we will be forced to accept the new energy system by our government public opposition will become irrelevant the political elite on both sides of the political spectrum will support the same policies.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mkwin', 'I')ts obvious government will take the lead and correct the markets failure to provide an energy system.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mkwin', ' ')The problem will be transport. The solution will be simple. Walk to work.

[threadbear]

The optimist thinks we live in the best possible world. The pessimest fears it's true.

Many posters on this forum aren't quite this bad, but some are resistant to any notion that a muddle through scenario, is possible. It's not naive, foolish, irresponsible to think that the energy crisis might not terminate in a die off. It's also not naive, foolish, ridiculous to imagine that the oil corporations might be closing down some refineries unnecessarily to drive up oil prices, making supply problems appear worse than they actually are.

There is a boatload, a cargo container full of really great information on this site, unfortunately much of it rests on shakey assumptions

Mkwin--Be patient. History will prove you are probably correct and what is happening in the UK right now, with the fast tracking of infrastructure, will eventually happen in the US.

There is still tremendous amounts of private equity floating around the globe, looking for a home. Right now much of it is tied up in the shares of Big Oil, war profiteering, and derivatives schemes. But just wait.... Can't you just see all the American auto companies, jumping onto the green bandwagon after they get all of their suv's off the books? Follow the money, honies. What about companies like Exxon. What would prevent them from slowly getting into nuclear generation? The govt doesn't have to take on all the burden

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')It's not naive, foolish, irresponsible to think that the energy crisis might not terminate in a die off.

[mkwin]

Monequest - No one commutes 150 miles in Europe unless by train. The majority of people are in walking/bike distance.

Coal peaking in 15 years?? Do you have a link to this information? I can't remember exactly but the last figure I saw was an estimated 300 years potential supply.

Your comments about recent economic growth are true for the US and to a lesser extent the UK but not continental Europe (circa 2% growth), Eastern Europe (circa 5% growth), and Asia ex Japan (circa 7-10% growth). Also, the inflationary pressures current being experienced in the UK and previously in the US are more attributable to growth in money supply than oil. At the peak of the oil crises in the 70's oil was $80 dollars by today’s time adjusted value of money. We are not far of that peak and inflation is 2-3% based on CPI.

The US has other options. To start with many you have to improve your energy efficiency. You use twice the energy per person than Europeans while we live a comparable (better in some cases) quality of life. 20 mpg for a new car is appalling. In addition to conservation you have good wind resources and strong solar potential in your southern states and a LNG infrastructure could be built within 5-7 years. This has already started in Mexico.

[threadbear]

"Put up or shut up". MQuest

Articulate, reasoned, nuanced and engaging response. Why would anyone be turned off this forum? I just don't get it.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mkwin', 'P')eople are pessimistic because they believe people won't be motivated to change and we're going to fall of a cliff.

[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bshirt', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'B')uilding permits exist for two main reasons; safety and uniform construction standards.

[mkwin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')It's not naive, foolish, irresponsible to think that the energy crisis might not terminate in a die off.

[Pixie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mkwin', 'M')onequest - No one commutes 150 miles in Europe unless by train. The majority of people are in walking/bike distance...

[mmasters]

The exact mechanisms of manipulating oil may not be easily provable (just like how the fed manipulates the stock market is not easily provable) but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen (or it isn't plausible).

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '"')Put up or shut up". MQuest

Articulate, reasoned, nuanced and engaging response. Why would anyone be turned off this forum? I just don't get it.