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I Have a Dream

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 28 May 2007, 21:30:38

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/05/20/Opini ... ing.shtml/

An amazing peek inside a 'Black' college by a Black journalist, Bill Maxwell, who is a syndicated columnist whose work appears in over 200 newspapers. Even more amazing is that this peek was allowed into print.

My colleagues and I were witnessing the result of low admission standards. Were we expecting too much of young people who scored poorly on the SAT, who were rarely challenged to excel in high school, who were not motivated to take advantage of opportunities to learn, who could not imagine where a sound education could take them?
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Mon 28 May 2007, 21:46:29

First off: 8O

Why are we wasting good professors on dumb students?

Fortunately, the free market takes care of people like that.

Any employer can take a look at someone's educational resume and decide to automatically rejected anyone from that college.
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby Baldwin » Mon 28 May 2007, 22:18:35

Given the demographics of the school and our culture, I am not shocked.
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 28 May 2007, 22:28:07

Historically 'Black' colleges and universities aren't fading away, that's for sure. Although attracting a smaller percentage of Black students, their numbers have risen over the past 30 years. Some appear to be attracting a higher academic quality of students than others.

I wonder how teaching at a historically Black university looks on a professor's resume. That may be affecting the quality of educators as well.

http://www.uh.edu/ednews/2006/cnn/20060 ... lment.html

Total U.S. college enrollment of black men and women ages 18 to 24 has increased from 15 percent in 1970 to roughly 25 percent in 2003. The number of black students enrolling in historically black schools has slowly increased, too, from 190,305 in 1976 to more than 230,000 in 2001.
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Tue 29 May 2007, 00:02:05

Black colleges should be outlawed.

I know for a fact if I set up a white college, I would would be villified.

Black Colleges are racist and should be allowed to exist
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby Jack » Tue 29 May 2007, 01:13:34

Actually...the great majority of mainstream colleges and universities are reducing standards. The trend includes small private colleges to large state universities. It includes some law schools. Textbooks are being dumbed down, including in the hard sciences.

Grade inflation is rampant. And colleges emphasize retention which is a code-phrase for reducing standards such that the poorest, least motivated students can muddle through.

Don't believe me? Google things like "grade inflation". Take a look at the average GPA from 40 years ago, and compare it with today. The so-called renormalization of the SAT is telling. Admission standards did not go up.

Take a look at other things. Google "illiteracy". See what you get.

Or, look at "academic dishonesty". It's rampant, you know. And in at least some well known public universities, the policy with regard to such cheating is "don't ask, don't tell".

Believe it, or don't believe it, as you choose - but all the information is out there.

So - how can one really expect the all-black colleges to buck the trend?
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 29 May 2007, 03:54:18

And "all black" colleges will actually give affirmative action scholarships to white students! Yeah, the white students have to be damned brave go to there, maybe that's the reason for the active recruiting of them..... I'm the biggest enemy of Affirmative Action there is, but it's funny to see this turnaround.
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Wed 30 May 2007, 10:20:02

This is a good thing.

Enough employers have had enough experience with Historically Black College graduates to know that degrees from HBCs are virtual certificates of proof that the holder cannot read, write, or work hard.

Thank goodness there is still enough freedom of choice in college selection that HBCs are experiencing declining enrollment due to their degree mill policies. This reduces the amount of money they are able to defraud taxpayers for each year.

A few years ago one of my former state university professors had to navigate a lawsuit threat from an African American Masters applicant.

He let me read the Master's thesis. It was horrible. It was literally 10th grade high school level work. The Graduate Committee delayed for a year, but eventually awarded the degree so as to avoid the lawsuit and EEOC investigation.

At least he tried to maintain some integrety. In the end, my credentials were debased by their actions. He was ashamed. I felt sorry for him.
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 30 May 2007, 11:18:35

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti ... 7/70529020

From yesterday's Detroit Free Press. Now we're talking about 10% White enrollment! So, 28,000 White kids believe a degree from one of these colleges is the key to happiness. Interesting. Interesting propaganda.
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 30 May 2007, 18:13:47

Eastbay that's what's changing rapidly - a degree is NOT a guarantee of happiness. It was for my parents. It even would have been for some 5 years older than I am, but the whole system is collapsing and this ain't a Leave It To Beaver world where a degree guarantees much of anything.

Look up "Interview with a street musician" on Google - security isn't in getting a degree, it's in learning the banjo.....
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 30 May 2007, 19:52:48

ILP, that's why I called it a response to unrelenting equality propaganda that 28,000 Whites are attending these colleges.

I agree further that those degrees don't mean too much unless the graduate really sparkles in some other area, and I'm sure many do! :)
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Re: I Have a Dream

Unread postby Baldwin » Wed 30 May 2007, 21:15:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'T')his is a good thing.

Enough employers have had enough experience with Historically Black College graduates to know that degrees from HBCs are virtual certificates of proof that the holder cannot read, write, or work hard.

Thank goodness there is still enough freedom of choice in college selection that HBCs are experiencing declining enrollment due to their degree mill policies. This reduces the amount of money they are able to defraud taxpayers for each year.

A few years ago one of my former state university professors had to navigate a lawsuit threat from an African American Masters applicant.

He let me read the Master's thesis. It was horrible. It was literally 10th grade high school level work. The Graduate Committee delayed for a year, but eventually awarded the degree so as to avoid the lawsuit and EEOC investigation.

At least he tried to maintain some integrety. In the end, my credentials were debased by their actions. He was ashamed. I felt sorry for him.


And I'd wager that is still an insult to 10th graders.
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