Not sure what to make of this. This smells a lot like those 3000 MPG car stories where it turns out that you're driving a luge on wheels where you have to lie down on your back. I also remember the story of the water-powered car whose inventor backed out when other university physics professors offered to examine it in order to give it credibility.
Fla. Man Invents Machine To Turn Water Into Fire
I wonder what the EROEI for this is?
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Turning salt water into fuel?
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Turning salt water into fuel?
by ClassicSpiderman » Tue 29 May 2007, 01:26:28
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Re: Turning salt water into fuel?
by Gerben » Tue 29 May 2007, 02:59:51
Well since you first have to put the energy in to make the hydrogen, it's not going to be very good.
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Re: Turning salt water into fuel?
by BastardSquad » Tue 29 May 2007, 03:24:52
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I wonder what the EROEI for this is?
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I wonder what the EROEI for this is?
If I were a gambling man I'd say pretty fucking shitty...........errr...........I mean I bet it's a net energy loser.
I'll have to dust off the old chemistry books,but off the top of my head I'd gues he's stumbled across a way to use resonance to break down magnesium/sodium based salts which then oxidize water to liberate hydrogen and/or hydroxide.
While this may prove to be a more efficient way to liberate hydrogen from water for the "hydrogen economy"(complete crock of shit,"let's see what kind of crap the sheeple will actually eat this week"),I'd bet it's an energy loser.That tricky little "law of conservation of matter and energy" always has a way of mucking things up!
But hey,I've been wrong before...................
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Re: Turning salt water into fuel?
by Gazzatrone » Tue 29 May 2007, 09:05:17
Fire from ordinary salt water?
You have to watch the video for this but can anyone hazzard a guess as to what the red liquid is sitting at the bottom of the test tube before he adds the saltwater.
You have to watch the video for this but can anyone hazzard a guess as to what the red liquid is sitting at the bottom of the test tube before he adds the saltwater.
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Re: Turning salt water into fuel?
by Tanada » Wed 30 May 2007, 07:42:24
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'N')ot sure what to make of this. This smells a lot like those 3000 MPG car stories where it turns out that you're driving a luge on wheels where you have to lie down on your back. I also remember the story of the water-powered car whose inventor backed out when other university physics professors offered to examine it in order to give it credibility.
Fla. Man Invents Machine To Turn Water Into Fire
I wonder what the EROEI for this is?
Fla. Man Invents Machine To Turn Water Into Fire
I wonder what the EROEI for this is?
If it works as stated it might be that he has found a harmonic radio frequency that breaks water molecules apart instead of just vibrating them like Microwaves do. Simple way to test this, est up a small electrolysis cell and then beam radio of whatever frequency he is using into the sample. If the rate of dissasociation goes up then his machine works, if not, not.
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Re: Turning salt water into fuel?
by Doly » Wed 30 May 2007, 09:50:37
OK, some basic chemistry. I will say it in layman's terms, because for those who know some chemistry this is so evident it doesn't need explaining.
Every chemical substance has a certain amount of energy stored in the links between atoms. To go from one chemical to another, you either have to provide energy (if the second chemical has more stored energy), or you obtain energy (if the second chemical has less stored energy).
Water has notably low stored energy. Less than oxygen and hydrogen, that are its component elements. So, to go from water to hydrogen, you always, ALWAYS have to provide energy. Any way you do it. Full stop.
Every chemical substance has a certain amount of energy stored in the links between atoms. To go from one chemical to another, you either have to provide energy (if the second chemical has more stored energy), or you obtain energy (if the second chemical has less stored energy).
Water has notably low stored energy. Less than oxygen and hydrogen, that are its component elements. So, to go from water to hydrogen, you always, ALWAYS have to provide energy. Any way you do it. Full stop.
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Re: Turning salt water into fuel?
by Gazzatrone » Wed 30 May 2007, 11:07:01
Another question I'd ask is whether this needs saltwater, or does any water work? Which is why I asked what the red substance could be. As saltwater would be chemically different from H20. Is there something else going on here than just the seperation of the water molecules.
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Re: Turning salt water into fuel?
by EnergyUnlimited » Wed 30 May 2007, 12:05:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'N')ot sure what to make of this. This smells a lot like those 3000 MPG car stories where it turns out that you're driving a luge on wheels where you have to lie down on your back. I also remember the story of the water-powered car whose inventor backed out when other university physics professors offered to examine it in order to give it credibility.
Fla. Man Invents Machine To Turn Water Into Fire
I wonder what the EROEI for this is?
Fla. Man Invents Machine To Turn Water Into Fire
I wonder what the EROEI for this is?
I had red that story and it is all but total nonsense.
Water or salt does not burn.
It is quite funny to observe how monkeys are making hopeless attempts to get that energy from somewhere.
Sadly it is running out and they are not going to get it...
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