[roccman]

http://pressesc.com/01180202266_eevs

Submitted by Canada IFP on Sat, 2007-05-26 18:00.Americas | United States | News
US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

American Civil Liberties Union pointed out that the DHS's Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) is error plagued and if the department makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

[ucosty]

If this is a part of a bill that has passed, does that mean that this will take affect soon?

Talk about becoming the thing you most despise.

[Kingcoal]

I don't see how this can pass constitutional muster. It amounts to a licence to work, which the Supreme Court has shot down several times in the past. According to the constitution, every private citizen has the unlimited right to aquire wealth, period. The Feds can and always have, regulated government employers, they have that authority, but they can't extend that to private employers. Please note that I am defining a "private employer" as one who "recieves nothing from the government," as per the constitution.

[Ludi]

That's hilarious!

Wow.

[I_Like_Plants]

In California at least you need to get your SSN checked and ID etc to make sure you're "OK" to have a job.

Read the original article and the comments, amazing stuff - we are truly becoming Nazi Germany.

[cynicalheretic]

Well if congress does pass it, I wonder how much this right to work license is going to cost.

Next laws coming

Right to eat / drink -- The government will choose which food are safe
Right to petition our government for grievances

[eastbay]

Hey c'mon everyone, this must be some kind of sick little joke. Not even the US Congress would be stupid enough to legislate something as Orwellian as this. Don't believe everything you read on the net, folks.

There's nothing to see here. Please move along now.

[mlit]

From a better souce

Whitehouse

Yes right now you are required to give two forms of ID but as far as I know they are just copied and stored so the employer has proof he demanded ID from you as a new hire. But now will be followed through on to verify that you are legal.

[gg3]

As a practical matter this will just have the effect of driving more people into the "informal sector" aka. the underground economy. This will be easier in the "sketchy" parts of cities, and in rural areas.

Meanwhile we can look forward to next year's elections, and to the next administration having to spend most of its time cleaning up the huge piles of stinking poo left behind by the present administration.

[I_Like_Plants]

The next administration will create even bigger piles of stinking poo though, you can take this prediction to the bank.

I think what triggered this was in California employees were giving "an" ID and "a" social security number, and they'd check out as belonging to "someone", but not the worker, who'd just come in from Mexico or Canada or what have you. California is famous for street corners in its large cities where anyone can buy ID, passport, SS card, etc for a few hundred $.

But it may well force more into the underground economy, which I'm all for. Ethically, if you can live on little enough to pay little in the way of taxes, do something real like farming or making shoes or something, and in general live as if things are how they'll likely be in 10 years, you'll be far ahead of the game.

[The_Toecutter]

I'm a big supporter of the idea of a Ron Paul/ Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul/Barack Obama ticket.

I don't trust Obama much, and he is clearly a prop up candidate for the Democrats, but he has occassionally shown some willingness to rock the boat. A little over a month ago, he came out in support of EVs and seems to understand that the technology works, much to the chagrin of both sides of congress. He's shown himself to be a collasal disappointment to those who voted him into Senate, but I have a hunch he has the capability to change that given what he has said. On the downside, he looks to be the gun grabber type. If he cements such a position, I'm likely to turn away from this candidate altogether.

If he's got both brains and balls to stand up to the one party system, I hope he uses them. Otherwise, I want nothing to do with him.

Depending on how this election turns out, I may just end up writing in Ron Paul, Michael Badnarik, or Ralph Nader, since it is likely neither will be on the ballot, and even though my precinct didn't allow write-ins in 2004...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')eanwhile we can look forward to next year's elections, and to the next administration having to spend most of its time cleaning up the huge piles of stinking poo left behind by the present administration.

[basil_hayden]

This is kind of already in place, if I understand it correctly.

In my current role as wage slave, I had to change jobs recently.

I had to sign papers that allowed the company to pull a credit report, do a background check, driving record check, and of course a physical. In the past, the driving record and physical were pretty much the norm, but a credit and backgroud check? WTF?

I guess I passed since I'm still employed, but Geez.

It's really getting ugly around here, this is not the America I grew up in.

[NEOPO]

heheh so of course you can imagine the hoops I recently had to hop through in order to qualify for a long term job in alberta...
Which we ultimately decided to be snob's and not take the jobs eh' yet I was approved without the help of my "friends"

Just one D.W.I is reason enough for disqualification.

BTW this particular job had a contract clause where we would have been penalized if we did not stay for a full year... seik heil!!!

This is in addition to the always included "non compete" clause which basically says that you cannot work for any other company of the same nature in a certain area for a 6 or 12 month period etc etc if you decide to terminate(quit) employment with said employer.

and taking it one step further is the clause that basically makes any great idea that you may think as related to your line of work the property of the company you work for, I shit you not, if I come up with some revolutionary idea etc etc then it would be the intellectual property of my employer and this clause is in the fine print of almost every fortune 500 corporation contracts... seik heil!!!

One US company contacted us requesting the following:
Pics of vehicle
pics of your mug for I.D. badges
pics of all equipment
Confirmation of but not limited to:
commercial insurance
vehicle insurance
drug test which could require blood and even hair
driving and criminal record
credit check
updated resume
updated all other data etc etc blah.....

Now here is the kicker, this particular company is going through all of this effort for the sole purpose of the anticipated 2007 Storm/Hurricane season... gulp.

Anyone? Class? Do these people know something that we do not or is it simply a hedging of the bet, spinning all of these wheels in order to gear up for this year's storm potential?

I think someone has their finger on the tesla coil yet we shall surely see. This is all becoming the "norm" so get use to it or die punks!

[cynicalheretic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'T')his is kind of already in place, if I understand it correctly.

In my current role as wage slave, I had to change jobs recently.

I had to sign papers that allowed the company to pull a credit report, do a background check, driving record check, and of course a physical. In the past, the driving record and physical were pretty much the norm, but a credit and backgroud check? WTF?

I guess I passed since I'm still employed, but Geez.

It's really getting ugly around here, this is not the America I grew up in.

[The_Toecutter]

It would be nice to have a list of companies that don't to background/credit checks, drug tests, insurance checks, ect.

Corporations can be even moreso hostile to your rights than any government.

The underground economy, even for someone possessing a college degree in a field of extremely high demand, is looking more attractive with each passive day. Sad, really. Whatever happened to my 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 9th amendment rights? All the jobs available seem to disregard them altogether even while off the clock.

[cynicalheretic]

Dude we lost all of our rights several years ago!!! They are just now beginning to tighten the leash.

You all let this happen, it is your fault and not mine.

uhm well because I don't except blame

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou all let this happen, it is your fault and not mine.

[I_Like_Plants]

Atlas has to shrug.

I hate Ayn Rand, but she got some things right - when the proletariat sees what a con society is, they simply stop working. Shrugging involves working little, making very little, paying little or no taxes, using local trade and local currencies as much as possible, etc.

Enough of us do this, we bring the Machine down. Simple as that. How many of you are willing to give up your SUVs and bigscreens though?

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'P')eople didn't stop it because if they'd have even tried, it would have been Waco on a much larger scale.

[perdition79]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'A')tlas has to shrug.

I hate Ayn Rand, but she got some things right - when the proletariat sees what a con society is, they simply stop working. Shrugging involves working little, making very little, paying little or no taxes, using local trade and local currencies as much as possible, etc.

Enough of us do this, we bring the Machine down. Simple as that. How many of you are willing to give up your SUVs and bigscreens though?