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Too Many Men?

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As a group, are men on average, more aggressive & violent than women?

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Too Many Men?

Postby Aaron » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 08:08:53

If men are typically more aggressive and violent than women, do we have too many men?

Would women step in and fill the violence vacuum if there were less men?

As the world's population continues to become more heavily populated with women, will violence decrease?

How many men are required to preserve genetic diversity in the population?

10:1 100:1 1000:1 ?
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Re: Too Many Men?

Postby skiwi » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 08:17:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'H')ow many men are required to preserve genetic diversity in the population?

10:1 100:1 1000:1 ?


I was thinking 10.1 that would be fun

100.1 Wow! that's getting scary

1000.1 Nightmarish thoughts of being tied down
and fed a viagra laced intraveneous drip 8O
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Postby Sencha » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 10:14:35

It doesn't matter whether you are a man or a woman, you are a human. Human beings are destructive, wasteful, plan for the short-term and impulsive. We all give into our instincts at some point. I have no doubt, that if there were more women, the violence vacuum would be filled.

Case in point, I had to do a report on the social trends of violence once. The statistics I researched showed that violent women and women gangs were on the rise. I probably couldn't find the source since it was awhile ago, but it proves it can be done.

I'm not going to denounce men and glorify women, not going to say women would achieve world peace or eliminate violent crimes. I'm too misanthropic for that, and I'd hate to think of myself as any less of a person on the virtue of my gender. While it may be true that men could be proved to be more prone to violence, I'm sure they represent a razor thin propotion of the total male population.

Additionally, violent tendencies may not be due exclusively to sex. Our culture markets violence on a daily basis, reinforces men in aggressive roles and glorifies brute force as the solution to our problems. Note that recently, it has become popular to portray women as strong, independent and every bit as violent as men. Culture is becoming saturated with such role models. Examples:

Lara Croft, Charlie's Angels, Kill Bill, Terminator 3 and the latest King Arthur film (as in the psychotic, adrenaline crazed Guinevere) just to name a few. Granted, these are all low brow, bread & circus crapathons, but you can bet the proles have alot to take away from this.

So, it seems that the ever present and influential mass culture is supporting the idea of physically aggressive women. I don't think this can be underestimated. If nature does not turn more women violent you can bet that society can.
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Postby Sencha » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 10:16:53

Correction: Kill Bill was the best movie. Ever. :)
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Postby marek » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 10:31:55

I agree with Sencha. Shouldn't we simply ask if there are TOO MANY PEOPLE on this planet? Whether they're men or women is irrelevant. From my experience, the proportion of aggressive to peaceful men and women is roughly the same. OK, so I have a small sample and am committing a Type I error at a 5% significance level. :)
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Postby Guest » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 14:17:26

I'm a man, but let's not kid ourselves with mixing up Hollywood movies and reality. I'm willing to bet 95%+ of violent crime is committed by men. How many genocides and wars have been started by women? It's true that men tend to be the ones running everything, so of course they get credit for the bad and the good, but I have a feeling there would be a lot less misery in the world if the majority of world leaders were women.
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Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 14:51:15

Its like comparing apples and oranges. Men and women have different styles. men talk themelves into a rage, women repress the anger. men have a lower threshold for initiating physical acts of aggression, women are more passive aggressive. but either will be horrificaly violent when they feel threatened or pushed into a corner. people who are more prove to physical acts have a male confrontation style. those who seem to just go postal one day have a female style.

Rats are a very good species to look at when wondering what over crowding is doing to us. they are very social animals with defined roles and heirarchies. when crowded the violence naturally escalates, roles are threatened and constantly redefined. when there is an unbalanced number of males to females the problems increase exponentially. we're just different, but women have no less capacity to violence. men are just trained earlier, some women are never forced to or learn to be violent.
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Postby Itch » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 17:39:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow many men are required to preserve genetic diversity in the population?


Not very many. Keep in mind that sperm is one of the cheapest substances on the planet, while women can only have a comparitvely small number of children. Reducing the number of males would only reverse the current paradigm of male competition. Instead, females will compete for the scarce males. Some groups of certain apes form a group called a uni-male group -- a group which consists of one male and many females, which is basically polygamy. If there was a heavy reduction in the male population, I suspect that polygamy would eventually be a bit more acceptable. This could possibly reduce potential chaos, since the male will have a variety of mates to fuck. Ever see a picture of the kind of Swaziland, the guy who has multiple wives and occasionally has 20,000 virgins dance for him? That motherfucker has the biggest goddamn smile on his face, and I reckon that he'll die with that smile. Of course, if a male is set up in such a poistion, there is always the possibility that even that may not be enough.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ould women step in and fill the violence vacuum if there were less men?


If there is a competition for limited resources, then there will be violence.

I personally think things would be less fucked up if women were in charge. They probably wouldn't keep their husbands locked in the house, occasionally beating them when they refuse an order; get in inane squabbles with other groups of women; or do any other repulsive fucking thing that the males have done. I do think that our allocation of resources would be different than it is today, but overconsumption, overpopulation, and the failure to understand exponential growth would eventually happen, anyway.
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Postby BabyPeanut » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 18:56:46

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Postby mindfarkk » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 19:10:08

i can only speak of what i see of americans. i think men are more prone to physical violence. but women are very passive aggressive. so in terms of pure aggression i don't know. i do think some of that is cultural, and some of it is probably hormonal. however, i'm pretty aggressive, and i'm female, and i don't have a particularly high testosterone level for a female, especially considering it would have to be elevated at least ten times to even equal the average male testosterone level, and i'd be growing things and losing hair in places we don't want to think about. so ultimately i don't see aggression or violence as purely biological. another thing is that women by and large lack the upper body strength to compete with men. granted SOME women could kick a lot of ass, but as a group, we average much lower muscle mass, even when we try to max out our muscle, so *all other things being equal*, as a group we are physically outclassed. which is why a lot of female BB end up using steroids to bulk up. so possibly women have just learned to cope differently to stay alive.

i can tell you even without body building that i'm mentally tougher and more assertive than most of the men i meet, and i have anger management issues :cry: meaning i've been known to get out of my car and get up in some guy's face, not always wisely. i'm better now though :wink:
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Postby smiley » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 21:04:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow many genocides and wars have been started by women? It's true that men tend to be the ones running everything, so of course they get credit for the bad and the good, but I have a feeling there would be a lot less misery in the world if the majority of world leaders were women.


Elena Ceausescu, Imelda Marcos, Lucia Hiriart (wife of Augusto Pinochet). Mirjana Markovic (wife of Slobodan Milosevic), Felicidad Noriega ......

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Postby Sencha » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 21:18:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow many genocides and wars have been started by women? It's true that men tend to be the ones running everything, so of course they get credit for the bad and the good, but I have a feeling there would be a lot less misery in the world if the majority of world leaders were women.


That's a cheap shot. Genocides and wars aren't started by men per se, they are started by individuals who force or tempt men into fighting for them. I think most people want to live a quiet and successful life, to take care of their family and friends. I believe men nor women as a group, deliberately look to wage war or systematically remove a people. Its always attributed to one person. Just because its one person's goal to do that, doesn't mean that they represent the desire of others. I'm sure there are soldiers in Iraq right now who don't want to be there. Not because they don't want to do their jobs, but they know their services are being abused.
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Postby jesus_of_suburbia_old » Wed 05 Jan 2005, 21:23:34

"Woman!! Whoa...man!"

Men are more aggressive and violent, but women are more manipulative and unmerciful. Two guys can beat the shit out of each other and make friends in a span of ten minutes. Women carry out their grudges and malice forever. Not only would their be conflicts and wars, but they would last much longer.
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Postby Guest » Thu 06 Jan 2005, 08:27:28

Women drive men to violence, that's all :D
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Postby Concerned » Thu 06 Jan 2005, 16:46:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')If men are typically more aggressive and violent than women, do we have too many men?

I believe that men are more aggressive. The roughly 49/51 (men/women) ratio is fine. Overall human population reduction would be beneficial not just a particular gender.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Would women step in and fill the violence vacuum if there were less men?

Depends on what level of violence you're talking about. There might be less bar room brawls, but I think women do have the same capacity to start mass violence in the form of wars for example.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')As the world's population continues to become more heavily populated with women, will violence decrease?

If overall global population increases then I think voilence will increase, more competition for same or reduced resources.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')How many men are required to preserve genetic diversity in the population?


Ummm :shock: not many. You could freeze our sperm and keep mabye 10,000 or say 100,000 genetically diverse males alive to ensure the species. Reproduction could proceed on the basis of artificial insemination. But there's no fun in that for either sex .

Although I imagine there would be alot of lesbian porn and a huge dildo market should something like that come to pass :lol:
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Postby Itch » Fri 07 Jan 2005, 00:01:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'g')ranted SOME women could kick a lot of ass, but as a group, we average much lower muscle mass, even when we try to max out our muscle, so *all other things being equal*, as a group we are physically outclassed. which is why a lot of female BB end up using steroids to bulk up. so possibly women have just learned to cope differently to stay alive.


Quite a true assessment, but keep in mind that females, on average, have greater flexibility than males. This is a very valuable combative quality, because it not only reduces your chances of injury, but also gives you a more versatile command of your momentum. It also enables a greater potential for agility.

Also, females have a sturdy lower body. Though it may not be as strong as a male's lower body, the combined natural flexibility and srength of the lower body can be devastating if applied correctly. Males tend to neglect the fitness of their lower body, focusing, rather, on their upper body. That is not a good idea on the guys' part; it's a weak area for females to exploit.

A male can be largest, hulking meathead on the planet, but this will not protect him from a precise hit to the groin, spine, knees, temple, eyes, solar plexus, neck, ears, nose, and other areas. If you learn how to effectively damage the most vulnerable parts of the human body, learn how to take a few blows, and reduce the fear of getting hit, because in this case, impending pain is scarier than the actual pain; I think that any fit female can crush most of the male population.

Of course, proper conditioning is the key. If you aren't working on developing a balance of strength, flexibility, and endurance, then you better start soon. Being in excellent shape, especially if you live in America, will give you a huge advantage.

Carry on with the original discussion; I just thought I'd drop this in.
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Postby 0mar » Fri 07 Jan 2005, 04:54:56

A gun nullifies every advantage.

I think I take pride in being more violent than the female gender.
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Postby theshadypeach » Fri 07 Jan 2005, 05:00:23

Have you ever read King Lear? :lol: Now those are some ruthless, bloodthirsty women. :wink:
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Postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Fri 07 Jan 2005, 14:05:44

When I was looking at which prisons to work in I had three in mind. two for men and one for women. I chose a super maximum MALE adult remand centre as opposed to working with women.

In an all out contest of agression men can be tougher. but if you are thinking about a situation where the attack is a suprise, women win hands down. men have to talk themselves into it, it comes out in their body language, you can see and sense when they are about to go postal.

not so with women. women have been trained to show submissiveness and look weak, they are very good at repressing their anger etc. there are a lot of angry women out there and you wouldn't not think it to see them.

the only equlizing factor here is among the sociopaths. male or female you wouldn't guess it. in a close range suprise attack, a gun would probably get you killed, most everything other than hand to hand combat experience would. it takes 25 feet of distance between you and the attacker for your brain to be able to process the threat before they can get to you and for you to react.

it would be better to avoid these situations entirely and travel/work/live in packs.
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Postby Ayoob_Reloaded » Fri 07 Jan 2005, 16:23:35

Men are much more likely to punch another man in the face over an obvious disagreement. We're also much more likely to pull violent shit in public.

Women are much more likely to abuse children and the elderly in private, or do their violence in a way that is unlikely to be discovered.

Women are also much more likely to lie about their violent behavior than are men. When I did my research on this it was pretty sad. It made sense, though.

It seems like men will commit violence on THEM, and women will commit violence on weak US. Know what I mean?
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