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Which lifestyle vs. lifespan option do you choose?

Choose a lavish lifestyle that ends at 72
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Choose a healthy lifestyle that goes to 80
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Deals with the Devil? Jack, we need to talk...
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Life and Death Choices

Unread postby Jack » Thu 17 May 2007, 12:17:39

Several posters noted that Falwell's demise may have been hastened by excess consumption. That triggered an idea for a new poll!

Let's suppose you're sitting in a comfortable chair, libation of choice at hand, feeling quite satisfied with the way things are going. Before you appears the supernatural being of your choice - an angel, a demon, or whatever else.

You, being the cautious sort, somehow confirm that the critter is legitimate - and is exactly what he/she/it claims to be.

Now, the being offers you a choice. I don't know why - maybe you're just special.

Anyway, you can live to 72, doing (or not doing) pretty much whatever you want. If you want to have bacon three times a day, eat cake and ice cream often, never exercise, smoke a carton per day, and drink a gallon of bourbon daily, you still live to 72.

Or, you can live carefully and go to 80. You watch what you eat, emphasize fresh, organically grown fruits and vegetables, and avoid fats and red meat. You don't smoke or drink. You exercise and do all the things a healthy lifestyle implies.

Now, no switching back and forth! You can't go to 71.999 and suddenly become a health nut! You get one choice, you're stuck with it, and no changes. No, you can't cheat.

No, the being will not allow you an OTHER choice! :twisted:

So - what do you choose?
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby dinopello » Thu 17 May 2007, 12:38:03

The one thing I'm sure of is my supernatural being of choice would be Jeannie (a genie) from I Dream of Jeannie.

On the rest, I don't think I really care as much about 72 or 80 nearly as much as what life is like, how happy my family and friends are together, how interesting and challenging life is etc.

I really like fresh fruits and vegetables. I would rather eat fish than anything with an occasional steak or pork product. You feel better when you are fit so I guess for all that I would choose 80.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby dissimulo » Thu 17 May 2007, 13:56:19

Assuming that a long health decline does not precede death in each scenario, I'd go with 72. If there are 10 years of declining health and capabilities in the 72 year or in both scenarios, I'd go with 80.

If the supernatural creature doesn't want to get into details, I'd choose 80 since it is safer.

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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby Narz » Thu 17 May 2007, 14:11:35

The myth is the taking care of yourself is all about living a few extra years. The reality is that you FEEL alot better thruout your whole life (and the extra years are just bonus).

I'd choose taking care of myself. Sure, I'll indulge in a few vices. But I got my hard liquor drinking, junk food eating, staying up all night days out of the way in college. It was a fun time but I ended up with a stomach virus and other health issues that lowered my quality of life for a few years afterwards.

The allure of the free and gluttonous life isn't very alluring when you actually let go and indulge for a few years. I'm glad I realized that early in life.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby WildRose » Thu 17 May 2007, 14:19:57

Too easy, Jack!

(But then, hmmm, is chocolate a no-no on the healthy-to-80 choice; perhaps we could make an exception. Ah, nevermind, I am currently weaning myself off the stuff, anyway.)

Ultimately, though, I guess I would have to go with the healthy-to-80 lifestyle. The big 5-0 is coming up for me next year, and I am thankful every day that I have kept myself active and strong all these years. And, MOST of my favorite foods are of the nutritious variety, so I think I could swear off the unhealthy ones easily enough.

Now ask me if I am ready to give up lipstick and hair dye...
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby PolestaR » Thu 17 May 2007, 14:31:34

I'd probably commit suicide - if there is a god afterall... I'm kinda fucked in the afterlife department.... it would be better to go to hell, train, and wait for the other 6 billion soon. Head start you see.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby Pops » Thu 17 May 2007, 14:39:38

Well Jack I think we need to talk.

I guess I would stump out my cig, pour out my drink, head to the head and stumble to bed…

I'd obviously had too much for one night.

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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby SevenTen » Thu 17 May 2007, 15:57:27

Eight years is not really enough difference between the two choices. I picked 72 without a problem.

Here's a more interesting choice:
1) Live the next five years doing whatever you want without negative consequence to yourself, then you die
2) Live the rest of your "natural" lifespan, never taking risks or chances and never accomplishing anything

Maybe I'll create a poll.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby Jack » Thu 17 May 2007, 16:44:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SevenTen', 'E')ight years is not really enough difference between the two choices. I picked 72 without a problem.

Here's a more interesting choice:
1) Live the next five years doing whatever you want without negative consequence to yourself, then you die
2) Live the rest of your "natural" lifespan, never taking risks or chances and never accomplishing anything

Maybe I'll create a poll.


You should!

Especially since it speaks to the entire peak oil problem. If one uses resources and enjoys exponential growth, one will eventually hit the wall and experience die-off. But if one lives a sustainable life, generation after generation, what does one end up with?

Good idea!
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Fri 18 May 2007, 00:56:34

72? Ha! I probably won't even live that long. I'm 21 and I already have ulcers and am on the verge of getting diabetes. I also have a history of cancer and obesity in family gene pool. I'll be lucky to see 60.

Really, this question just boils down to quality vs. quantity. Would you rather have a fun short life or a long boring one? I'd choose the short, yet entertaining life.

I'd be okay with just living another 5-10 years from now and then dying, as long as I get to do WHATEVER (and I mean whatever) I want. For me, it's about the quality of the years, not quantity.

You know what they say, it's better to burn out than fade away. I'd rather be like Jimi Henrix than Crosby, Stills and Nash.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Fri 18 May 2007, 01:09:51

[quote="SevenTen"]Eight years is not really enough difference between the two choices. I picked 72 without a problem.

Here's a more interesting choice:
1) Live the next five years doing whatever you want without negative consequence to yourself, then you die
2) Live the rest of your "natural" lifespan, never taking risks or chances and never accomplishing anything

Maybe I'll create a poll.[/quote

Option 1, as long as the death isn't slow and painful. Maybe another 5 years without consequences and then a quick decapitation or something like that.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 18 May 2007, 01:29:16

I'm 33. I'll consider myself very fortunate to make it to 52. Bad mojo coming to the world in the next 20 years.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 18 May 2007, 01:36:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '7')2? Ha! I probably won't even live that long. I'm 21 and I already have ulcers and am on the verge of getting diabetes. I also have a history of cancer and obesity in family gene pool. I'll be lucky to see 60.



Now I see why you want others dead at 65. Totally make sense imho.

Btw, french hangmen during the first revolution had an extra expence paid as they had to replace wicker buckets cause heads were chewing them through periodically.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Fri 18 May 2007, 01:45:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '7')2? Ha! I probably won't even live that long. I'm 21 and I already have ulcers and am on the verge of getting diabetes. I also have a history of cancer and obesity in family gene pool. I'll be lucky to see 60.



Now I see why you want others dead at 65. Totally make sense imho.

Btw, french hangmen during the first revolution had an extra expence paid as they had to replace wicker buckets cause heads were chewing them through periodically.


It does make sense. It helps with the overpopulation problem and it solves the social security problem. And look on the bright side, no one will have to worry about retirement anymore. That's why we're in this mess to begin with, people live too long and use far too many resources... there needs to be a limit.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 18 May 2007, 02:52:05

Working class people in the Empire are very lucky to see their mid-60s. My parents, who grew up middle class, and were middle class until about middle-aged (under the old useage of the term, their 40s say) when they fell to working-class status. This changed their DNA to working-class DNA, and they both kicked it at about age 63.

The rich are the ones living into their 80s and all this shit, they can afford to work a mere 40 hour week, get health care at the preventative stage rather than at the crisis stage, and enjoy a basic lack of stress and sense of security (because they have it)

I'm all for killing off the rich as early as possible, it will do oh so much for social justice..... 8)
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby SevenTen » Fri 18 May 2007, 03:28:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'B')tw, french hangmen during the first revolution had an extra expence paid as they had to replace wicker buckets cause heads were chewing them through periodically.

So you're saying that after decapitation the heads were still alive and were chewing through the buckets? 8O
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby Newsseeker » Fri 18 May 2007, 08:34:31

I would like my lifespan to end around 65. No need to spend the last years of my life shuffling my feet and talking to myself from Alzheimers while forgetting the names of those closest to me. I'll still be talking about PO in that state but that's about all that I will be doing.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby Pops » Fri 18 May 2007, 16:09:24

Wasn't it Studds Terkel at 80, that when asked: "who wants to live till 80?", replied:

"… well most anyone 79."
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby WildRose » Fri 18 May 2007, 17:59:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'W')asn't it Studds Terkel at 80, that when asked: "who wants to live till 80?", replied:

"… well most anyone 79."


Ha! Exactly. It always seems like a long way off until you are almost there.
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Re: Life and Death Choices

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 18 May 2007, 18:15:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', 'I') would like my lifespan to end around 65. No need to spend the last years of my life shuffling my feet and talking to myself from Alzheimers while forgetting the names of those closest to me. I'll still be talking about PO in that state but that's about all that I will be doing.


Holy cow! I have/had many friends & relatives who remain/ed sharp and active into their 70s, 80s, and 90s. 65 is darn young.
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