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How long until the next "red scare"?

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Fri 11 May 2007, 03:16:59

With everything that is going on with Russia and China, how long until we have another McCarthy screaming about the pinko's?
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Re: How long until the next red scare?

Unread postby Denny » Fri 11 May 2007, 17:29:09

If more of a liberal influence starts to sweeop the U.S. then the next thing is that real COmmunists wil start to beomce influential. They are right off the map now at the extreme left. Not even U.S. trade unions hold communist views of a central planned economy, etc. But, many hold to views espousing such things as socialized child care for working parents.

Therafter, the sweep up may start anew, as Americans see the crumbling set in of their dearly held principles.

Similar to the the end of WWI it was just after the Democratic party being in power that the Communists had gained some influence.
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Re: How long until the next red scare?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 11 May 2007, 20:58:45

IMHO, the fascists and communists and similar totalitarians murdered so many people in the 20th century that totalitarianism is pretty well discredited now.
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Re: How long until the next red scare?

Unread postby pea-jay » Sat 12 May 2007, 03:54:25

I'd have to argue that both Russia and CHina have ditched pretty much all of the "communist" economic system for a mix private sector economic system with a state level control over the resources themselves. Traditional socialistic "sharing" has fallen off.

On the other, political control has tightened, not loosened.

I do think there will be competition between the US and China and the US and Russia, but it will not be over ideology. Resource control and economic control will be far more important. Given china's huge population, there is a better chance both the US and China will compete for Russia's remaining resources.
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Re: How long until the next red scare?

Unread postby Denny » Sat 12 May 2007, 10:08:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', '
')I do think there will be competition between the US and China and the US and Russia, but it will not be over ideology. Resource control and economic control will be far more important. Given china's huge population, there is a better chance both the US and China will compete for Russia's remaining resources.


Don't count Russia out in the control sweepstakes. They likely have some of the most concentrated wealth in the world right now, a capital pool that is ready to buy what it wants and where it wants. Russia seems to have replaced a socialist elite with what may be along the lines of an old time feudal elite, and they are buying. Russia (in total) is enjoying some huge revenue flows of cash the past few years. Not so much is getting down to the regular Ivan in the street, but that means a whole lot of it is like a concentrated economic weapon. I have to say, I have never seen or heard anything of Mr. Putin that warmed me to the guy, though apparently George Bush thinks highly of him. I think Putin is scary.

Check this article published today in the Globe and Mail:

"Russia Inc.'s murky lineage hardly matters any more. The Russians aren't just coming any more. They're here.

Enter stage left: 39-year-old oligarch Oleg Deripaska, who this week bought a $1.54-billion (U.S.) piece of car parts giant Magna International Inc. and its dream of acquiring DaimlerChrysler's U.S. operations. ...

But the deal is equally important to Mr. Putin, who has made no secret of his desire to see his champion companies step confidently out on to the world stage.

The Magna investment is part of a multibillion-dollar buying binge by Russia Inc. in Canada, the United States and Europe. Russian companies have bought steel makers, alumina and platinum mines, construction companies and gas pipelines. OAO Lukoil operates more than 2,000 gas stations, from Maine to Virginia. And OAO Gazprom wants to invest in liquefied natural gas projects in Canada and the U.S. to help create export markets for trapped resources.

To some analysts, the increasing global reach of Russian companies is the next stage of the Cold War, fought with rhetoric and petro-dollars, instead of missiles.
“This process has been going on since the mid-nineties,” explained Steven Rosefielde, professor of economics at the University of North Carolina and an expert on the Russian economy. “At that point, it was about capital flight. Now, with Putin pulling all strings behind the scenes, it has become an intriguing dimension of the second phase of the Cold War.”

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Re: How long until the next red scare?

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 12 May 2007, 10:14:15

"we dont live in a fascist nation!"
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Re: How long until the next red scare?

Unread postby pea-jay » Mon 14 May 2007, 02:24:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', '
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Don't count Russia out in the control sweepstakes. They likely have some of the most concentrated wealth in the world right now, a capital pool that is ready to buy what it wants and where it wants.


yeah, i agree. I posted on another thread that I thought they would be the "Last one standing" in terms of rule and domination. Given the amount of remaining resources, I dont see how they dont capitalize on it.
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Re: How long until the next red scare?

Unread postby Newsseeker » Mon 14 May 2007, 08:28:27

I doubt many Americans will take the idea of Chinese and Russian sleeper cells seriously but I overestimate their intelligence and will probably come to regret this remark. :lol:
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